So what about those factory V8 Gladiator rumors?

[Artsifrtsi]

It appears that all v8s are in a end of life cycle, Ford announced that the Mustang will be losing the v8 in a couple years...

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[The Duck of Earl]

Unfortunately ship has likely sailed on a v8 in the Gladiator. If we were going to see the 5.7 it would have already happened (and likely been done with the JL too to offset engineering costs).

Everyone seems to believe that it is a forgone conclusion that the 3.0TT is making its way to the JL and JT. Jeep has not said this, and it kind of goes against the current Stellantis marketing - i.e. that the SO and HO Hurricanes are replacements for v8s (not shoehorned into current v6 or 2.0T applications). Until there is an announcement of a major ramp-up of Hurricane engine production, there are just too many other vehicles in-line first (you have the new Charger, Challenger, 300?, 1500, Wagoneer, new Durango?, Grand Cherokees) those vehicles all need the engine for CAFE reasons and will be prioritized.

Also, the idea that Jeep is going to stretch the chassis and engine bay to fit the straight six (ya I have no proof the engine won't currently fit, no one does, but seems mighty unlikely) prior to a major redo for the next generation which would be years away and does not seem logical to me. Plan on any mid cycle refresh to just be some interior toys and lux items, and I bet that supposed new grille on the 20th anniversary Rubicon concept is just to generate buzz and differentiation for the new model and maybe just help with the cooling problems they already have with the current engines.

If the Gladiator is slated to the next generation, 4xe will probably be the marker, just not the current generation. I think the next gen 4xes will offer a longitudinal application of the Pentastar plug-in hybrid kind of like the one that is in the current Pacifica in addition to an updated 2.0t application. Either way, the 4xes would both be a hard pass for me and are not an exciting offering. When you look past the stat sheet and get past the cheerleaders and tree huggers, any real straight forward review of the systems calls them for what they are - compromised and wonky - and they likely always will be.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22688297/2018-chrysler-pacifica-hybrid-reliability/

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/603822/jeep-grand-cherokee-4xe-review/

 

[Artsifrtsi]

If the Gladiator is slated to the next generation, 4xe will probably be the marker, just not the current generation. I think the next gen 4xes will offer a longitudinal application of the Pentastar plug-in hybrid kind of like the one that is in the current Pacifica in addition to an updated 2.0t application. Either way, the 4xes would both be a hard pass for me and are not an exciting offering. When you look past the stat sheet and get past the cheerleaders and tree huggers, any real straight forward review of the systems calls them for what they are - compromised and wonky - and they likely always will be.

Meh, it looks like the only thing that cannot be fixed with software tweaking is the engine noise. The biggest thin that has happened since this article was written, is that the GC will now be cheaper, as only U.S made PIHs and EVs now qualify for the $7500 tax credit, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act...

 

[bleda2002]

Unfortunately ship has likely sailed on a v8 in the Gladiator. If we were going to see the 5.7 it would have already happened (and likely been done with the JL too to offset engineering costs).

Everyone seems to believe that it is a forgone conclusion that the 3.0TT is making its way to the JL and JT. Jeep has not said this, and it kind of goes against the current Stellantis marketing - i.e. that the SO and HO Hurricanes are replacements for v8s (not shoehorned into current v6 or 2.0T applications). Until there is an announcement of a major ramp-up of Hurricane engine production, there are just too many other vehicles in-line first (you have the new Charger, Challenger, 300?, 1500, Wagoneer, new Durango?, Grand Cherokees) those vehicles all need the engine for CAFE reasons and will be prioritized.

Also, the idea that Jeep is going to stretch the chassis and engine bay to fit the straight six (ya I have no proof the engine won't currently fit, no one does, but seems mighty unlikely) prior to a major redo for the next generation which would be years away and does not seem logical to me. Plan on any mid cycle refresh to just be some interior toys and lux items, and I bet that supposed new grille on the 20th anniversary Rubicon concept is just to generate buzz and differentiation for the new model and maybe just help with the cooling problems they already have with the current engines.

If the Gladiator is slated to the next generation, 4xe will probably be the marker, just not the current generation. I think the next gen 4xes will offer a longitudinal application of the Pentastar plug-in hybrid kind of like the one that is in the current Pacifica in addition to an updated 2.0t application. Either way, the 4xes would both be a hard pass for me and are not an exciting offering. When you look past the stat sheet and get past the cheerleaders and tree huggers, any real straight forward review of the systems calls them for what they are - compromised and wonky - and they likely always will be.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22688297/2018-chrysler-pacifica-hybrid-reliability/

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/603822/jeep-grand-cherokee-4xe-review/

Charger and challenger are dead, dodge is going fully electric so they aren't inline for the tt v6.

4xe glady is coming this generation, jeep already said every model will have a 4xe by 2025. Only reason we haven't seen one yet is that jeep can't keep up with the current 4xe orders for wranglers or Cherokees so they're slow rolling it to other platforms as they can. Personally I can't wait for the 4xe gladdy, big displacement v8 performance with diesel fuel economy around town...yes please.

 

[The Duck of Earl]

Charger and challenger are dead, dodge is going fully electric so they aren't inline for the tt v6.

4xe glady is coming this generation, jeep already said every model will have a 4xe by 2025. Only reason we haven't seen one yet is that jeep can't keep up with the current 4xe orders for wranglers or Cherokees so they're slow rolling it to other platforms as they can. Personally I can't wait for the 4xe gladdy, big displacement v8 performance with diesel fuel economy around town...yes please.

Wrong. There will be ICE versions of the Charger and Challenger alongside electric versions. Check your sources.

And Jeep has 'said' a lot of things. Wouldn't count your chickens until they come home to roost.

 

[Orange01z28]

Government ruins everything

 

[CrazyCooter]

Jeeps outsell every other FCA brand? Maybe they are sacrificing other brand models to reduce overall fleet MPG numbers to save the best selling brand....Jeep?

 

[bleda2002]

Wrong. There will be ICE versions of the Charger and Challenger alongside electric versions. Check your sources.

And Jeep has 'said' a lot of things. Wouldn't count your chickens until they come home to roost.

Care to post a story, literally every story i'm looking at says BEV or at most PHEV for next gen Dodge's with Dodge itself confirming thats the plan. Perhaps they will PHEV the tt v6, that would be one hell of a crazy power plant.

 

[The Duck of Earl]

Care to post a story, literally every story i'm looking at says BEV or at most PHEV for next gen Dodge's with Dodge itself confirming thats the plan. Perhaps they will PHEV the tt v6, that would be one hell of a crazy power plant.

Sure, link below to the banned site we all know (type it in in the link below, but article is currently on the front page as well). I don't always believe them, but they have been right lately - and the only media sites claiming all ICE versions of Charger and Challenger are done 2024 are posts and reposts (mostly without attribution) from clickbait type sites (which apparently nbc subsidiaries now fall into - think their political lean might be clouding their journalistic integrity...).

https://[BANNEDSITE]/dodges-next-gen-muscle-cars-will-continue-to-have-internal-combustion-engines-ices/

Also, on your earlier statement about a 4xe gladiator - some nuance to Jeep's official statements - “Starting in 2025, we will have a zero emission Jeep 4XE in every SUV segment,” Meunier said during the webinar [Jeep Brand CEO Christian Meunier shared during Stellantis EV Day]. Gladiator doesn't technically fall into that category (assuming it is still even being made in 2025).

 

[bleda2002]

Sure, link below to the banned site we all know (type it in in the link below, but article is currently on the front page as well). I don't always believe them, but they have been right lately - and the only media sites claiming all ICE versions of Charger and Challenger are done 2024 are posts and reposts (mostly without attribution) from clickbait type sites (which apparently nbc subsidiaries now fall into - think their political lean might be clouding their journalistic integrity...).

https://[BANNEDSITE]/dodges-next-gen-muscle-cars-will-continue-to-have-internal-combustion-engines-ices/

Also, on your earlier statement about a 4xe gladiator - some nuance to Jeep's official statements - “Starting in 2025, we will have a zero emission Jeep 4XE in every SUV segment,” Meunier said during the webinar [Jeep Brand CEO Christian Meunier shared during Stellantis EV Day]. Gladiator doesn't technically fall into that category (assuming it is still even being made in 2025).

I've seen that from MPRI but Dodge itself said thats wrong. According to dodge: "The story is incorrect," said the spokesperson. "The Hemi in that platform, as well as that platform, are going away. The next generation will be BEV."

There is high likely hood though that there will be "classic" charger and "classic" challenger sold as overlap to the BEV/PHEV next gen according to the Dodge president.


For the gladiator, either they'll kill it or it has to go 4xe as confirmed by their own executive.
"Christian Meunier, the Global President of Jeep Brand, has said we are committed to making Jeep the greenest SUV brand. All Jeep models will carry an electrified option in the next few years and will modernize the brand as it strives to become the leader in green, eco-friendly premium technology."

 

[The Duck of Earl]

I've seen that from MPRI but Dodge itself said thats wrong. According to dodge: "The story is incorrect," said the spokesperson. "The Hemi in that platform, as well as that platform, are going away. The next generation will be BEV."

There is high likely hood though that there will be "classic" charger and "classic" challenger sold as overlap to the BEV/PHEV next gen according to the Dodge president.


For the gladiator, either they'll kill it or it has to go 4xe as confirmed by their own executive.
"Christian Meunier, the Global President of Jeep Brand, has said we are committed to making Jeep the greenest SUV brand. All Jeep models will carry an electrified option in the next few years and will modernize the brand as it strives to become the leader in green, eco-friendly premium technology."

Truly there are some conflicting sources and room for interpretation with the spokesman's statement. Maybe both are right, if the platform changes and/or the next gen equivalent replacements are called something different (with the BEVs retaining the charger name) then the source might not be wrong - or Stellantis just changed its mind, which it could do again. I think that quote is more directed at the motor trend article that said the v8 was staying around.

Good run-down of the best current information is in the link below. As much as everyone goes on over on this forum and the JL wrangler forum, Stellantis doesn't really have to do anything with the Wrangler (or Gladiator) as they are churning out vehicles at capacity and will for some time without changing anything.

https://www.motales.com/current/rumors.php

 

[John_81583]

I'd rather have the new inline plus more power for better fuel economy anyway

 

[DirkG]

As much as I hate to say, pretty much all V8s are dead. Electrification is the future. And not because of the "green" BS. Manufacturers aren't going EV because they're green. They're going EV because 1) they're being pushed by politicians and 2) because of the unbelievable performance and space efficiency afforded by an EV.

"...the race between the Tesla Model S P100D and McLaren 720S isn't even close. The Model S pulls off a 9.42-second quarter-mile with a trap speed of 146.86 mph. Meanwhile, the McLaren supercar finished the sprint in 10.17 seconds with a 139.50 mph trap speed." Source

That's a $130K sedan versus a $300K supercar.

The ICE has reached its pinnacle of engineering. It was one hell of a ride. But the lithium-ion battery - and the next generation of sodium-ion batteries - ultimately offer so much more to the end consumer. Now don't read this has me being an EV nerd, I'm quite the opposite (I drive a Gladiator for crying out loud), but I see the writing on the wall.

• A finite supply of fossil-fuels
• Crude oil supply in volatile regions of the globe
• Battery technology greatly increasing while costs continue to decline
• High R&D in new battery technologies (sodium-ion)
• High performance
• Low maintenance
• Game changers (Musk) willing to burst through existing barriers (unions, governments, oil)
• Political pressure for the "green" future

Of course revolution and change doesn't come easy nor cheap (initially).

I don't see how our energy grids are going to support full-scale electrification. Here in CA we're already challenged. For electrification to truly work, large scale solar deployments need to be administered. Like now. I don't see that happening. The solar industry is not dialed in properly.

I think government-mandated electrification is going to receive backlash from many different communities. I've already read some communities claiming discrimination because they can't afford new EVs. The response is that's what the used ICE car market is for. I don't see this going smoothly.

My guess is the Gladiator will continue with the Pentastar V6 and Diesel. It'll get the Hurricane TT I-6 for a short period while also getting a 4xe version. I don't think it goes true EV (beyond 4xe) for a long while. Definitely no V8.

 

[Jefe1018]

I can't imagine the ungodly amount of money they'd want for a V8 Gladiator. If the Wrangler is like $80,000 to start, the JT would be easily upwards of $90,000. I can almost buy a house in some places for that much.

 

[John_81583]

As much as I hate to say, pretty much all V8s are dead. Electrification is the future. And not because of the "green" BS. Manufacturers aren't going EV because they're green. They're going EV because 1) they're being pushed by politicians and 2) because of the unbelievable performance and space efficiency afforded by an EV.

"...the race between the Tesla Model S P100D and McLaren 720S isn't even close. The Model S pulls off a 9.42-second quarter-mile with a trap speed of 146.86 mph. Meanwhile, the McLaren supercar finished the sprint in 10.17 seconds with a 139.50 mph trap speed." Source

That's a $130K sedan versus a $300K supercar.

The ICE has reached its pinnacle of engineering. It was one hell of a ride. But the lithium-ion battery - and the next generation of sodium-ion batteries - ultimately offer so much more to the end consumer. Now don't read this has me being an EV nerd, I'm quite the opposite (I drive a Gladiator for crying out loud), but I see the writing on the wall.

• A finite supply of fossil-fuels
• Crude oil supply in volatile regions of the globe
• Battery technology greatly increasing while costs continue to decline
• High R&D in new battery technologies (sodium-ion)
• High performance
• Low maintenance
• Game changers (Musk) willing to burst through existing barriers (unions, governments, oil)
• Political pressure for the "green" future

Of course revolution and change doesn't come easy nor cheap (initially).

I don't see how our energy grids are going to support full-scale electrification. Here in CA we're already challenged. For electrification to truly work, large scale solar deployments need to be administered. Like now. I don't see that happening. The solar industry is not dialed in properly.

I think government-mandated electrification is going to receive backlash from many different communities. I've already read some communities claiming discrimination because they can't afford new EVs. The response is that's what the used ICE car market is for. I don't see this going smoothly.

My guess is the Gladiator will continue with the Pentastar V6 and Diesel. It'll get the Hurricane TT I-6 for a short period while also getting a 4xe version. I don't think it goes true EV (beyond 4xe) for a long while. Definitely no V8.

well said

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