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Depends on the industry and how much you make but the actual average is 3% a year across all industries in the US. 40% is again fairly ridiculous expectation for an already high paying job in a given industry much less the effective 75% raise they were looking for (not including cola).
It's spread out over 4 years. Using the 3% a year average, then comparing it to 4 years of raises (36% total) is just being purposefully misleading.

And 3% a year is not a raise, it is losing money, and no one should settle for that.
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It's spread out over 4 years. Using the 3% a year average, then comparing it to 4 years of raises (36% total) is just being purposefully misleading.

And 3% a year is not a raise, it is losing money, and no one should settle for that.
Fine 9% a year average is still 3 times the average annual raise. I agree 3% is low, but it again depends on the industry and where in the pay range you are. I consider 3% to be the minimum personally but Im also realistic and realize that 5-6% is a pretty damn good raise for a non promotion year.

The big 3 already offered a 5% a year effective raise but the UAW called it insulting.
 

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Fine 9% a year average is still 3 times the average annual raise. I agree 3% is low, but it again depends on the industry and where in the pay range you are. I consider 3% to be the minimum personally but Im also realistic and realize that 5-6% is a pretty damn good raise for a non promotion year.

The big 3 already offered a 5% a year effective raise but the UAW called it insulting.
5% is insulting. It's literally taking money out of their pockets with the increase in cost of living over the last few years. It's especially insulting when the company boasts about how well they are doing, while giving executive raises closer to 40% and doing massive stock buybacks.
 

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5% is insulting. It's literally taking money out of their pockets with the increase in cost of living over the last few years. It's especially insulting when the company boasts about how well they are doing, while giving executive raises closer to 40% and doing massive stock buybacks.
Long term inflation rate is about 3% with 2022 being an outlier at 8% but even 2021 and 2023 are coming in under 5%. Total inflation from 2020 to now is 18% so even with the outlier year a 5% raise is not insulting nor is it taking money out of their pockets since that's still above the inflation rate.

This is the up/downside of being union and negotiating years in advance some times the workers win when the economy gets lean but they still get raises and other times they get the short end of the stick when the economy booms and they still only get what they agreed to.
 

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9% a year to catch up to where inflation went during the tenure of their prior contract is out of line?
Yes, in my opinion, it’s asking too much. I built BMW’s for 22 years. The most we ever got was 8%, once. It usually averaged 6 or 7, if we got one at all. 10% for 2 years sounds more reasonable to me. Don’t get me wrong, I hope they can get as much as possible. I realize inflation has been stupid high the last year or so. I don’t wish to see anyone struggling money wise, but you need to budget wisely. I’ve seen too many people at our plant get hired in, buy new vehicles, a house, or both, then complain that they aren’t making enough.
 

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UAW and Stellantis couldn’t come to an agreement so the strike is officially starting.



Curious how long it will last and what kind of effect it will have on us. Will it push 24 gladiators back or will they just cut off 23’s after a certain time?
If they get the raise they want they will make over $300,000 per year (they now make $65/hr; Toyota workers $55/hr) according to our local paper. It is possible that Jeep may disappear, or be so expensive that only the 1% will be able to afford one.
 

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Do corporations work for the employees or the shareholders? Just checking.....

Not sure when the idea that working for a corporation meant you were working for a 'profit sharing family business' came to be....

I hate the Corps too brahs but that's the way they work.
 

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Yes, in my opinion, it’s asking too much. I built BMW’s for 22 years. The most we ever got was 8%, once. It usually averaged 6 or 7, if we got one at all. 10% for 2 years sounds more reasonable to me. Don’t get me wrong, I hope they can get as much as possible. I realize inflation has been stupid high the last year or so. I don’t wish to see anyone struggling money wise, but you need to budget wisely. I’ve seen too many people at our plant get hired in, buy new vehicles, a house, or both, then complain that they aren’t making enough.
Just because you got stiffed for 22 years isn't a very good reason to think other auto workers don't deserve to get a raise.
 

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Do corporations work for the employees or the shareholders? Just checking.....

Not sure when the idea that working for a corporation meant you were working for a 'profit sharing family business' came to be....

I hate the Corps too brahs but that's the way they work.
And if they don't treat their employees right, they leave or strike, dropping value for the shareholders. This happens all the time, that's the way corporations work.
 

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Just because you got stiffed for 22 years isn't a very good reason to think other auto workers don't deserve to get a raise.
I didn’t get “stiffed”. The percentages of cost of living raises are fairly consistent across all manufacturing sectors in the US. I never said they don’t deserve a raise. Maybe you need to resolve your apparent anger issues, then go-back and re-read my posts. Have a nice day, now!
 

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5% is insulting. It's literally taking money out of their pockets with the increase in cost of living over the last few years. It's especially insulting when the company boasts about how well they are doing, while giving executive raises closer to 40% and doing massive stock buybacks.
I like to find any company in the Auto Industry who is averaging 9%+ wage increases EVERY year? I

Find me any health care worker who is getting 9%+ wage increases EVERY year. I know my wife who's been a RN for 22 years, has never seen a 10% wage increase in the last 5+ years..

I've been in the Auto industry for almost 30 years (salary) and work for one of the largest auto suppliers (near $20B in Revenue), and while back in the day, we enjoyed 10%+ increases in pay at certain times, but since about the last 8 years, its been 3-5% at the top end for any of the Auto Suppliers / OEM's. You might get 1 good year here or there, but never 4 years in a row which is what the UAW Is asking for.

UAW gets one hell of a profit sharing check (the more the big 3 make, the more their profit share check is) and their healthcare is 2nd to none for the most part

Do I agree CEO's make too much? Absolutely. I can't stand it. Even the company I work for, I cringe every time I see him in the hallway. However, in my opinion these UAW demands are way over the top
 

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... an effective 75% raise just sounds greedy.
But it's okay that the execs do it.
Or did you protest that somewhere in this forum?
As far as line work is considered, unionized auto manufacturing employees have some of the best compensation packages out there.
I wonder how that happened? Probably because of what we're seeing now.
If the UAW brass weren't such greedy pigs,
And the corporate execs are greedy pigs.

And the legislators are nowhere to be found probably because the Republicans are getting kickbacks from the execs and the Dems are getting kickbacks from the unions, but this is a problem that should have a legislated answer.

they could have asked for(and received) increases in profit sharing percentages--everyone wins in that situation.
There's no heros at the top of this situation- only greedy villains amassing fortunes by overcharging the consumers. The unions rape the union workers then they hang the workers out there because it's "worker pay" being negotiated for but probably 40% ish goes right back into the union in the form of health, pensions, overhead, this, that, and the other.
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