Front row third "jump seat" in a JT?

[Zachanadandy]

Here's a generic Jump Seat that is 8 inches across. (20 cm)
https://www.amazon.ca/Ride-USA-Extra-Narrow-Pick-up-Truck/dp/B09XWK1215

The gap between the two front seats on a JL/JT is around 10 inches (26cm)

hmmm.

-Dan

Child car seats typically range from 15.5-17.5" wide. There's just not room for 3 front seat passengers. Pretending the tiny human only takes up a tiny space is ignoring the size of the car seat entirely. 2x100lb front seat passengers wouldn't be comfortable or safe in an accident. Fractured ribs from the car seat and your elbows destroyed the kids face. If you need 3 front passengers you need a bigger vehicle. Not to mention the drivers airbag can't be turned off and would destroy a rear facing car seat.

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[Janster]

It might be illegal federally or illegal in your state… …to have a child seat in a spot that can’t accommodate a person - aka - without a seat belt or anchor system.

You could cobble together anything you want, but if you get in an accident, there could be some serious legalities involved, and I mean serious stuff……If your child dies - You want to be slapped with a murder charge Or something similar?

Think about it…… What would your family members (Parents, Grandparents, Siblings, close relatives, friends) think of your Idea to put a child seat in a spot where no adult is legal to sit there?

 

[Zachanadandy]

I agree there are safety concerns, which is why I'm investigating and trying to learn what is possible.

As for children being required to sit in the back, that is only true if there is a back.
In vehicles that don't have a backseat that does not apply.

I'll also be in countries that have no such law.

-Dan

But the JT has a back seat? Are you removing the back seat and stuffing the kid in the front? I assumed this was to haul more people than the JT was built for. If it's just to free up the back seat for storage it's an even worse idea. Get a topper or a trailer if you need cargo space. Have the humans ride where the vehicle was designed for them to safely ride. I think I'd bolt a car seat mount in the bed before trying to stuff it on the transmission hump.

 

[Dan Grec]

But the JT has a back seat? Are you removing the back seat and stuffing the kid in the front? I assumed this was to haul more people than the JT was built for. If it's just to free up the back seat for storage it's an even worse idea. Get a topper or a trailer if you need cargo space. Have the humans ride where the vehicle was designed for them to safely ride. I think I'd bolt a car seat mount in the bed before trying to stuff it on the transmission hump.

I'm not asking for the JT specifically, more-so the JL. But because they're the same I wanted to ask more people.

The solution could be the same between them, so I was wondering if anyone has done it for either.

-Dan

 

[Zachanadandy]

I'm not asking for the JT specifically, more-so the JL. But because they're the same I wanted to ask more people.

The solution could be the same between them, so I was wondering if anyone has done it for either.

-Dan

The solution is the same because there isn't enough room in either and your airbags may well kill your child. If only the JL had a back seat...
Before you invest any more time just go sit a car seat on the center console and get in the drivers seat. Would you want to ride around like that crammed up against the drivers door?

 

[Dan Grec]

The solution is the same because there isn't enough room in either and your airbags may well kill your child. If only the JL had a back seat...

Sadly I cut mine in half, so it doesn't.

-Dan

 

[Zachanadandy]

Sadly I cut mine in half, so it doesn't.

-Dan

Jerry rigging a death trap for a small child on the transmission hump is far easier than buying a new rear seat?

 

[Dan Grec]

Jerry rigging a death trap for a small child on the transmission hump is far easier than buying a new rear seat?

The rear seat isn't going back in.

Also, I'm not saying I'm 100% going to do this and make a death trap. I'm asking if anyone else has seen or done anything and if there is a workable option.
It's OK to discuss thoughts and ideas, even if they are ultimately bad ones.


-Dan

 

[Zachanadandy]

The rear seat isn't going back in.

Also, I'm not saying I'm 100% going to do this and make a death trap. I'm asking if anyone else has seen or done anything and if there is a workable option.
It's OK to discuss thoughts and ideas, even if they are ultimately bad ones.


-Dan

I'm with you on the thinking it out, I just don't see a feasible way of fitting a car seat between 2 adults in the front of a JL/JT. Even if you got it in there and mounted solid there's no room for the driver and passenger and the airbags are a major concern. I'd rather ride in the camper with my child safely buckled into the passenger seat.

 

[Dan Grec]

I'm with you on the thinking it out, I just don't see a feasible way of fitting a car seat between 2 adults in the front of a JL/JT. Even if you got it in there and mounted solid there's no room for the driver and passenger and the airbags are a major concern. I'd rather ride in the camper with my child safely buckled into the passenger seat.

With a ton of Googling for options this morning I'm thinking that it may work to offset the jump seat behind the two front seats. Buy a very high quality jump seat, and bolt it down straight through the steel tub using grade 8 bolts - it would be as strong as the two front ones.

This potentially takes care of the width problem, and the airbag problem (the seat would be behind the reach of either airbag)

I would take out the centre console completely.

I'm starting to look into what it would take to get this engineered and legal, obviously a major hurdle, but not impossible.
Bolting a genuine seat with seat rails down through the steel tub should be OK, from my reading.

-Dan

 

[Zachanadandy]

With a ton of Googling for options this morning I'm thinking that it may work to offset the jump seat behind the two front seats. Buy a very high quality jump seat, and bolt it down straight through the steel tub using grade 8 bolts - it would be as strong as the two front ones.

This potentially takes care of the width problem, and the airbag problem (the seat would be behind the reach of either airbag)

I would take out the centre console completely.

I'm starting to look into what it would take to get this engineered and legal, obviously a major hurdle, but not impossible.
Bolting a genuine seat with seat rails down through the steel tub should be OK, from my reading.

-Dan

No experience with a camper like yours, is it a pass through from the cab? If so there should be room to make something work. Set back far enough I could see it safely and comfortably done.

 

[Dan Grec]

No experience with a camper like yours, is it a pass through from the cab? If so there should be room to make something work. Set back far enough I could see it safely and comfortably done.

Yep, it has a pass through.


-Dan

 

[WILDHOBO]

I agree there are safety concerns, which is why I'm investigating and trying to learn what is possible.

As for children being required to sit in the back, that is only true if there is a back.
In vehicles that don't have a backseat that does not apply.

I'll also be in countries that have no such law.

-Dan

If you care about your kids’ safety, you won’t do this. It’s genuinely negligent. If no one else will say it I will. You’re bad parents if you put a car seat in that location in a Jeep gladiator or wrangler. I don’t care what direction it’s facing. One accident and they’re gone. And for what? Your convenience? Crazy.

 

[Zachanadandy]

If you care about your kids’ safety, you won’t do this. It’s genuinely negligent. If no one else will say it I will. You’re bad parents if you put a car seat in that location in a Jeep gladiator or wrangler. I don’t care what direction it’s facing. One accident and they’re gone. And for what? Your convenience? Crazy.

That was my initial reaction. Looking at the camper it looks like a car seat could be safely mounted to the floor behind the console. Child still reachable from the front seats and it would barely be in the way moving around in the camper. Remove it and set it in the front seat when camping and it's out of the way. No need to mess with the console or crowd the passenger compartmentat all.

 

[WILDHOBO]

That was my initial reaction. Looking at the camper it looks like a car seat could be safely mounted to the floor behind the console. Child still reachable from the front seats and it would barely be in the way moving around in the camper. Remove it and set it in the front seat when camping and it's out of the way. No need to mess with the console or crowd the passenger compartmentat all.

We’re very strict with ourselves about child safety, regardless of how annoying it is. We subscribe to the safest recommendations. One example is that kids should stay in boosters until they are 80lbs. Our 9 and 10 year olds are still in boosters. It only takes one accident to have the seatbelt hit them in the wrong spot because they’re too low, and they’re catastrophically injured. And for what? Because boosters are annoying? That would just make us lazy.

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