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Have you told them that you have an FCA control number?

See this thread for how to get one.

It's a guaranteed 1% below invoice, and no dealer worth dealing with should balk at that. It's not haggling, it's a legit incentive that Jeep provides to employees, contractors, and affiliates.
no. Inplaced an order before I knew of this discount. Can it still be applied? I am under the assumption that once the order is placed its pretty much final
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no. Inplaced an order before I knew of this discount. Can it still be applied? I am under the assumption that once the order is placed its pretty much final
I honestly don't know if you can use it now. My gut says yes, because technically you haven't purchased this vehicle yet.

If it were me, I'd let your dealer know that you forgot to mention that you had an FCA control number, and verify that this won't be a problem.

At the end of the day, they don't want to lose a sale, so it's unlikely they'll give you much push back.

Worth a shot anyway.
 

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I’m no pro at that pricing sheet, just another dude that used it to price my Jeep, but looks like 23 is the manual transmission version of each truck, 24 is the auto, 26 is the diesel/auto since there is no manual option for the diesel.
Try no to sweat the MSRP, not every dealer is willing to discount off that price, which is why a handful of dealers get so much mention here: they’re far and few between. If you’re unable to travel to a discounted dealer, one that at least doesn’t charge over the MSRP is your only option. We’d all have to take that route if we had to buy locally. MSRP in todays market is nothing to be mad about.

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Then it hasnt been explained to me very well. And your saying now that 3 different places have all straight up lied?
ok. Lets try this. Because I am confused. can someone post some actual numbers and documents to show? Including the built MSRP from Jeep, dealer cost, invoice, and final sale price? I need laymans terms apparently Im also gonna call grupton and ask them to explain because between here, and 3 places ai have called something does not add up. Maybe Jeep will pop in here too and shed some light because its pretty confusing
This is from a a Ram build but the columns show msrp and invoice. The figures at the bottom are friends and family pricing (affiliate) and the employee price. The dealers tell me the holdback amount they are guaranteed is VIN specific, tied to options and possibly scheduling. Hope this helps a bit. Ordered a gladiator last year and it was almost the exact same percentage off of msrp.
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no. Inplaced an order before I knew of this discount. Can it still be applied? I am under the assumption that once the order is placed its pretty much final
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So, like the prior reply stated, you can ask the dealer. However, I’ve bought with an FCA number in the past and I thought I recalled your order gets locked in with it, because the dealer gets reimbursed some amount back from Jeep, so it’s in Jeep’s interest to make sure everything was done properly for a discount that they permitted and you neglected to research or negotiate from. That’s not a crime to miss something like that, but cavity emptor, you likely didn’t negotiate this well And now you’re trying to renegotiate after the fact. So, I thought I’d just frame that to say that if the dealer can’t budge, it’s not their fault.
 
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Might a be a stupid question, but is your deposit refundable? Many dealers use refundable deposits because they’re not worried about selling a truck you walk away from in this market.
 

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I’m no pro at that pricing sheet, just another dude that used it to price my Jeep, but looks like 23 is the manual transmission version of each truck, 24 is the auto, 26 is the diesel/auto since there is no manual option for the diesel.
Try no to sweat the MSRP, not every dealer is willing to discount off that price, which is why a handful of dealers get so much mention here: they’re far and few between. If you’re unable to travel to a discounted dealer, one that at least doesn’t charge over the MSRP is your only option. We’d all have to take that route if we had to buy locally. MSRP in todays market is nothing to be mad about.

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Yeah I think I was looking at the wrong line. So it would make more sense that the numbers I added up were over MSRP because it was with the 3.0. I will look again. Multitasking is not a strong suit. ha.


So, like the prior reply stated, you can ask the dealer. However, I’ve bought with an FCA number in the past and I thought I recalled your order gets locked in with it, because the dealer gets reimbursed some amount back from Jeep, so it’s in Jeep’s interest to make sure everything was done properly for a discount that they permitted and you neglected to research or negotiate from. That’s not a crime to miss something like that, but cavity , but hey, you likely didn’t negotiate this well And now you’re trying to renegotiate after the fact. So, I thought I’d just frame that to say that if the dealer can’t budge, it’s not their fault.
Well. you don't know what you don't know is a great saying. How would anyone know what half of these terms even mean if few people use them correctly or are willing to talk about them. Again going back to honesty and integrity - something few dealers seem to have I guess.... Had I known I certainly would have had a more in-depth discussion. I think you are right about 'locking in' the price. They did say that. now they used that in terms of the price would not increase if for example steel prices raised... But they did not mention that going the other direction except for factory rebates that 'might' apply. They just so happened to 'skip' over that part probably because it betters their own situation. So 'poor negotiation' I dont think really applies - I guess I could have just walked away and gone to another place that also would not budge. Not sure what that really gets me. It's business - however, it drastically reduces any amount of trust one has in a apparent dishonest group of people. Nobody can argue that fact. But I will look into this FCA number. That is also something I didn't know about and will read about that tonight. I mean a guy hopes people would be honest but we all know this world is full of sleazy dishonest people. That's my beef... anyway I digress, there is a bunch of really good info here and perhaps I should have spent a solid few months just reading. and I am pretty mad at myself for not having been able to find pertinent information sooner despite best efforts. that being said, seeing as how other dealers today have responded to my questions I highly doubt anyone within 3 states of either side of me would be willing to budge on anything other than MSRP. That is becoming pretty clear. It seems deals in the south are just offering better rates and more willing to give straight forward information for some reason.


Might a be a stupid question, but is your deposit refundable? Many dealers use refundable deposits because they’re not worried about selling a truck you walk away from in this market.
No it is not. And every single dealer I called today - probably 15-20 of them, said the exact same thing. They also said they had non-refundable deposits and the deposit was for the same amount I already put down. Many of them also immediately had a jerk of a tone in their voices the moment I asked serious questions such as invoice numbers and 'actual' cost, and holdbacks. I think the places I called knew right away they were getting caught red-handed in purposefully misleading people to make more money and were upset at that.

I honestly don't know if you can use it now. My gut says yes, because technically you haven't purchased this vehicle yet.

If it were me, I'd let your dealer know that you forgot to mention that you had an FCA control number, and verify that this won't be a problem.

At the end of the day, they don't want to lose a sale, so it's unlikely they'll give you much push back.

Worth a shot anyway.
yeah I am going to give this a try. Going to sign up tonight. Maybe they will surprise me and follow through.


Anyway, not to clog up this thread but I appreciate all the info and feedback from everyone. Clearly I have more reading to do. But appreciate the info despite my frustrations. I hope others read this and learn from my mistake before making one of their own.
 

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You will need to be part of Tread Lightly for 30 days before you can get a control #. So sign up ASAP. Some people have actually delayed picking their order up so they could wait then extra days so they could apply it.
 

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You will need to be part of Tread Lightly for 30 days before you can get a control #. So sign up ASAP. Some people have actually delayed picking their order up so they could wait then extra days so they could apply it.
Like when you sign up for it the day you place your order, but then your truck is somehow ready 18 days later and you have to wait weeks to pick it up.

RIP.

@chorky Gupton isn't the only forum dealer. I'm sure you can find one closer than a 5-day drive and it's absolutely worth it. All of the dealers I tried in my region wanted $7k or more for the same order. If your deposit was 1-1.5k, it still might be worth a shot to switch. But in general, calling random non-forum-based dealers is most likely going to keep ending in frustration. There are simply too many people willing to pay more than you are.

I'd look into the places found on here or the other Jeep forums. Even if you can't make the drive, ask to see how much they'd charge to ship it to you via freight. It will probably still be less than you're getting locally. And you'll know you're not getting taken advantage of.
 

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Ok now feel like a dumb @ss too. I thought invoice and MSRP were the same. Now I'm REALLY kicking myself for not ordering a Gecko Mojave last summer. It would have been the same as I paid for my Willys. Now a Gobi Mojave isn't as expensive as I thought...Gonna have to send an email now!
 

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Ok now feel like a dumb @ss too. I thought invoice and MSRP were the same. Now I'm REALLY kicking myself for not ordering a Gecko Mojave last summer. It would have been the same as I paid for my Willys. Now a Gobi Mojave isn't as expensive as I thought...Gonna have to send an email now!
Let me know how that works for you. Hoping it does! I'm considering it as well but also times are weird these days and people are easily set off into a place where they try to work someone over for spite. maybe not a valid thought but I do unfortunately see that often. I ordered the Sport S optioned out (except for LED's which weren't available) strictly for the max tow option. But just found out recently that last year someone got the Rubicon also with the max tow which supposedly is no longer offered. So confusing when things keep changing and terms are not used correctly or explained well.
 

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But they did not mention that going the other direction except for factory rebates that 'might' apply. They just so happened to 'skip' over that part probably because it betters their own situation. So 'poor negotiation' I dont think really applies - I guess I could have just walked away and gone to another place that also would not budge. Not sure what that really gets me. It's business - however, it drastically reduces any amount of trust one has in a apparent dishonest group of people. Nobody can argue that fact. But I will look into this FCA number. That is also something I didn't know about and will read about that tonight. I mean a guy hopes people would be honest but we all know this world is full of sleazy dishonest people.
Chorky, btw, I had actually written caveat emptor previously, but my spell check was too dumb to know latin for ”buyer beware” and changed my wording and I was too dumb to review what I wrote that got changed. So, there it is, I’m not perfect.

All I was trying to say was that a deal was done and you negotiated something that you were happy with and if the dealer can’t change it, just try to be happy with it as you once were or try to renegotiate or unwind the deal. However, no matter what you do, it was not the sales’ teams fault as they didn’t just skip over such a program. Let’s not get it twisted, programs such as this are truly intended is an ”Affiliates“ program for more or less suppliers and business partner employees to get partner pricing. So if and when, you happen to be an employee of such a partner, it is either your employer’s responsibility to share or yours to inquire about such a program as covered in your benefits. Now, it seems that the program is pretty darn large and no doubt, Tread Lightly and other affiliates have likely advocated to be part of such a program for their benefit members, but that is a benefit of membership of whatever group you’re in be it a paid program or employee partner.

However, to come back to a bargaining table after a deal has been struck and be frustrated, because a salesperson didn’t run through all the affiliate programs with you that a true affiliate member would already have known about and then criticize the dealership staff as being sleazy dishonest people is being at least a bit disingenuous.

As for walking away from the deal, well, that’s simply the discipline if you’re not happy with your deal. It’s all risk vs reward of tge next deal being better or worse and the consequence of your luck, skill, timing, knowledge, how much you don’t need something, how much they do and what you time and pride or worth. I once WALKED from a deal after a different sales manager changed the terms of a deal I previously negotiated WITH ANOTHER MANAGER. So, I ended up driving a 7 hour round trip to close a better deal with another place. So, ”yes”, walk away when you’re not happy and always beware.

Note, I’m not trying to be harsh, just trying to be “real” while being every bit respectful. I just googled the U.S. average annual salary and found it to be about $52k in 2019. So, it stands to reason that if it takes a year for most U.S. Workers to make that kind of money, they should be cautious to be very patient and deliberate when it comes to spending it.
 
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Use the jeep web site only to build/research the options you may want (there is a lot of if-then logic in the options). But dont use it thinking it will generate an accurate MSRP because actual pricing changes per month and the web site pricing is only accurate for about a week.
Once you have your options, download the current month‘s build sheet, find your trim pages, and circle your options. MSRP is retail price and FWP (Factory Wholesale Price) is invoice. MSRP should match the window sticker pricing (window sticker will only exist once the truck is built though). Add them both up, and you will have MSRP, which I use as a check-sum to make sure the options are right, and invoice/FWP pricing, which dealers will NOT want you to know (except a few like Gupton).
You will not know actual dealer cost so dont even worry about this term… but it is lower than invoice/FWP (which is how dealers can sell below invoice and still turn a profit)

Email your build from jeep.com to Gupton, and you will get back 3 numbers - straight 5% off invoice, 1% off the 5% for tread-lightly program, and 1% off the TL program price for dealer financing.
NOTE: These discounts INCLUDE the shipping/handling price ($1595 for me) - so you dont need subtract that and add it back in - you get the discounts on shipping as well.

Daniel has been upfront and honest in the numbers, which is completely refreshing in todays scumbag dealer environment! They will dream up any excuse that fits their narrative Of making as close to MSRP or over as possible.

There really are only two numbers - MSRP and Invoice/FWP.
Everything else is calculated from those. Any other terms are just to add confusion and deception to the deal.
 

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