Clearly we were talking about the Gen II engine. There hasn't been any known engine failures with the Gen III.
knock on all the wood I can find > 114K on my '14 GC EcoD with nothing but normal maint......
That is the tune I have (from the company we discussed previously). It is well worth it, have not seen a regen since install, burns so clean, averaging 25mpg mixed commute and I do 80 on the hwy. And 485 ft lbs. I have surprised quite a few peeps at the stoplight drags.....
I agree that it is unproven. But that also means that issues from past generations should not be applied to it until they show up. We as consumers can't have it both ways. Only time will tell I guess.
So is that for every 10 no issue motors you have found 1 problem motor? So a 10% "failure rate" posted on the internet. Extrapolate that to account for the nearly 95% of people that don't post on the internet car forums because they have no issues, and that "failure rate" goes down quite a bit I would think.
I bet the difference will be substantial. I'm hoping that TFL will do the Ike Gauntlet challenge between the two. And I hope they use a trailer that weighs at least 5,000 lbs.
I am hoping they keep the existing 22 gallon tank while adding the DEF tank in somewhere. It could be possible with the longer wheelbase but nobody has an underside shot of one of the mules running around to confirm. I would like a solid 500+ mile highway range although I don't expect the 650+ I get in my WK2 ecoDiesel.
FCA is pretty good about listening to customers. They learned from the 4th gen Ram 1500 that customers expressed a great desire for a larger fuel tank. So, they made that adjustment on the 2020 Ram 1500. We now can get the optional 33 gallon tank diesel fuel tank. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gladiator gets the 22 gallon tank.
I figured you had a reason for wanting a 3,500 lb towing comparison. Even with 3,500 lbs, I think you'll notice a big difference between the two engines in overall towing performance, especially at low speeds. The diesel is making it's maximum torque at lower RPMs whereas the Pentastar is making it's maximum torque at higher RPMs. That why the driveability of the diesel is much preferred for many drivers. Most of my loads are somewhere between 3,000 and 6,000 lbs., but that's because my smaller trailers weigh somewhere around 1,800 - 2,000 lbs empty. That leaves me with 1,000 - 4,000 lbs of cargo.
If they go with the 18g tank, the towing performance on the lighter side will really have to be noticeable to justify the extra up front and on going costs. If it is not a night and day difference, then I'll probably get the gasser and put a Gen-Right extended tank on it for under $2k and call it a day.
No, the other way around. For every positive review I've found, there are maybe 10 negative reviews, failures, blown engines. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
I understand. I'm going to reserve most of my thoughts once the final specs are released. There are too many unknowns for me to give a thoughtful opinion. I'm still confident that once you test drive the Ecodiesel, you won't hesitate. TFL made some very interesting comments based on their EcoDiesel Wrangler vs Pentastar Gladiator comparison. There was no question in their mind which engine they would want for towing.
I just secured pricing on a 2020 Ram EcoDiesel this morning. I just need to workout what options I want.
100,000 mile warranty is pretty standard on a diesel engine.
I've spent the last 4 years on EcoDiesel forum(s). I can tell you that the overwhelming majority are very satisfied with how FCA has handled warranty repairs. The frustrations are mostly at the dealer level. FCA doesn't diagnose problems, the dealer does. After owing the KJ CRD, you should be able to relate to that.
I was just offered today to trade in my Gladiator for a Ram 1500 Gen III EcoDiesel and keep my monthly payment the same. The Ram would be crew cab, 4x4, Big Horn, North Edition, and Level II interior package, with 20" optional wheels and A/T tires and 3.92 axle.
For reference, I should get approximately 13,000 off MSRP on my Longhorn (invoice, less hold back, less $800, less rebates, and 50% off any service contract).
I will use the Ram 1500 much more than I will the Gladiator, so it was a pretty easy decision for me. I'll get the Gladiator Ecodiesel, but not this year.
I just hope the JT diesel will be available this year - I could probably hold out until next year but hope I (we) don’t have to-
