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Too late to get mad at me....the gig is up. Automotive News broke it, Jalopnik et al repeated it. Gladiators not selling. https://jalopnik.com/the-jeep-gladiator-is-struggling-1841569645

I know :) I took the high road :)

You are welcome. The more people we inform about how desperate Jeep and Jeep dealers are to move inventory, the more we move away from the insane pricing of JLs and JTs. There are some mighty capable vehicles, like F-Series SuperDuty Tremor, and FCA's own Power Wagon, that overlap in price...

I frequently (at least once a week) rent vehicles from Avis for work. My last 4 rentals straight have been Jeep Gladiators (Sport S, I think), even though all I reserved was an intermediate car. Jeep is simply dumping these things at rental car fleets - it's pretty amazing to see. These...

You need to get out more. The JT is awesome and I'm happy Jeep is making it. But every day there are tons of people having great fun with all sorts of other trucks. Lets celebrate the choices and push these manufacturers to compete hard for our $$$.

Humm....Car and driver got three other "mid-sized" trucks lined up. They ALL were crew cabs. They all were 4WD/AWD. They all were in top trim (Ford, Honda) or one trim down from top (Chevy). None of them were 2WD. None of them were strippers. They all were within a case of beer of 1,500 lbs...

Of course not. Jeep/FCA can hire enough lawyers to word it correctly "up to xxx lbs paylod". But it is misleading. ALL of the other trucks tested had ˜1,500 lbs payload. The Jeep had under 1,000. Clear as a bright summer day.

Apparently Jeep does, as that is what they are using to market and advertise the vehicle. It is the first thing you see on the Gladiator site - the payload.

(I assume you meant back seat leg/seat space) Back seat space is the same as in the JLU and the Gladiator. The JT wheelbase is over 18" longer than the JLU, so obviously those 18" did not go towards back seat space. The explanation must be somewhere else.

Yep. That is clear. The question is, will it be sustainable after the novelty wears off? I think this market segment will be too competitive to have a $15K premium, even with all the "fun factor", after the first year or two.

The fact that Gladiator's wheelbase is basically a foot longer than the other vehicles in the class will be a horrible liability off-road. I simply can't understand why the Gladiator has such a huge wheelbase. It basically on par with the others on towing, much worse on payload, and drags the...

The barebones Rubicon, equipped for maximum payload, and completely stripped of all heavy accessories Rubicon would have an absolutely maximum payload of 1,190lbs (per Jeep's website). That is already pitiful compared to the the others as tested . Typically equipped, the Rubicon would be much...

Humm....wouldn't the Rubicon be even heavier (meaning even lower payload) and $5K more expensive (making it over $20K or ˜50% more expensive than the others)? How would that improve the picture? P.S. This is the first test that I know of, that actually weighed all the competitors (like Car...

Some surprising data on this comparison test. 1 - Despite Jeep claiming "class-leading" payload and towing, the Gladiator tested had by far the worst payload. Only 988 lbs for the Gladiator vs 1,476, 1,479, 1,493 for the others. Even the minivan-based Ridgeline had ˜500lbs more actual payload...