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I think that’s the problem though. Wrangler people will complain about pricing but then buy them anyways because there’s no competition and it’s similar to a cult. Jeep saw that and figured the Gladiator customer would do the same but I feel like a customer in the midsize truck market is...

Like there’s no way a Sport with basically a hard top and auto trans should be close to what a ZR2 costs.

This is really only a Jeep thing. The rest of the midsize truck market is priced appropriately for what you get, hence the no Gladiator sales.

Local dealer has a max tow Sport with an msrp of $47k (which is insane no wonder they’re not selling) and with 15% off and employee discount plus $1000 credit I’d be looking at around $38k or so. Still not sure it’s a good deal for what you get though.

I think here it was 10% off every trim, now it’s the same as the poster above.

There are three 2022 diesels around me and the only real discount is the 10% off msrp plus if I get employee or friends and family pricing which to me isn’t good enough.

Im in this boat. I don’t really want to spend more than $40k for a Jeep, because of its quirks and limitations. Problem is that doesn’t get me much of anything, but it surely gets me something in most of its competitors.

To Stevie Wonder maybe.

You literally can’t buy or order a diesel and ALL are effected so no the diesel is / would be worse.

Of course there will be gripes from current owners but Jeeps problem and what should be more worrying is that they’re not doing a great job of getting new customers that are willing to pay more for a product that’s basically worst in class in amenities. Banking on “Its a Jeep thing, you can take...

That’s the same truck I’d order if I got one. With GM discount I’d be around $47,500 which equates to maybe a base Sport gladiator with hard top and max tow package Lol.

So the 4xe would be here next model year right? I have a feeling they’ve been working on it but the numbers are not where they want so it’s not ready yet. I say the next model year because Jeep has been claiming for a while now that every model will have some sort of electric option by 2025...

Lol I bet the ZR2 Bison will be cheaper than the Willy’s with 35’s.

That Mojave was in Bikini right? Why to a fancy reveal for it if you’re not introducing a new engine or something?

Yeah the prices are crazy even with the employee discount deals. The Sport S I test drove a couple weeks ago sticker’d for around $53.5k and it didn’t even have leather, any of the safety packages, tech package, etc. I can get a loaded ZR2 for around $52k. Seems crazy to me.

Lots of significant changes if they’re bringing all the Wrangler stuff over. Just the new dash, side curtain airbags, and adaptive cruise standard on Sport S and above is huge and a bargain. A 4xe oprion would be awesome.

Cheat the emissions system and pay, seems easy to me? There’s plenty of EPA compliant tunes out there for the companies that do the hard work and testing.

Feel like people who say this need their eyes checked.

Exactly what I’d get as long as the price / payment is within budget.

Would love a Bikini JT but doesn’t appear that’s going to happen. It’s probably my favorite color on the Wrangler so this makes it hard. Order a JL and compromise in towing and having a bed, or order a JT and either hope the color gets announced in September for the 2024 JT or just get a color I...