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No, I don't think it's intentional, but as you pointed out it's probably from poor planning and a lack of reality that sales are falling year over year. It's a perfect storm of adverse impacts, including inflated MSRP's and high interest rates, and they probably reconcile that it's easier to...

I think you're missing the point Mike. Most people can afford the car they buy - whether cash up front or payments. Not everybody, but most of us. Nobody on this planet I know enjoys losing value more quickly than they should. If we Gladiator drivers are losing massive value because Jeep is...

It's all Jeep's fault. They overproduced these in 2022 and again in 2023 causing these massive discounts. I have to believe they are better off backing away from this intentional overproduction to something more realistic and then not deep discounting then anymore. What they are doing...

i got my answer as concluded in post #41. anything else happening here is where ya'll take it

You asking me if I'm questioning the published MPG's means to me that I am questioning or disputing the MPG ratings of 17/22 on my Gladiator, and whether or not that is a fair and accurate rating for this vehicle. That was NOT the intent of this post. The intent of this post, which is...

No, I was not questioning the published MPG's. I was questioning why under the same EPA testing methodology (I.e. the published MPG's on the window sticker) the heavier 1500 achieved a higher MPG rating than the lighter Gladiator - same engine, same transmission, same 4x4. The forum has...

The only thing I said nope to was the effect of better aerodynamics in city driving, specifically if it was enough to offset the extra ~300lbs the 1500 has. Doubt there's been any study on this sort of thing, so I'll pass on further judgment and let the forum decide. I actually agreed with the...

300 lbs is exactly 6% extra weight

Dude, not talking about my vehicle, talking about 2 stock vehicles and their MPGs according to their window stickers

Internet says etorque adds .7 mpg, so it helps, but doesn't fully explain. Nice answer!

Not talking steady state, talking city start and stop. Ram 1500 heavier by 300+, same engine, gets better city mpg in start and stop traffic where 300 lbs should come into play.

What about the 300+ pound advantage of the Gladiator? No physics in that?

Nope

Not questioning the validity of EPA values I'm not asking about the BS methodology. These are 2 trucks from the same company with the same engines, and the heavier one gets better MPGs fromn the same BS methodology

Nope

No, 5mph there is no effect of aerodynamics. The 1500 isn't exactly a tesla

Why is it that a 3.6 4x4 Ram 1500 is rated 19/24 MPG and a 3.6 4x4 Gladiator is rated 17/22? The Gladiator weighs several hundred pounds less. Please don't say aerodynamics because that is negligible in city driving. Both have the same exact 8-speed auto transmission. This makes no sense...

I have a 2.0 in a 2019 Wrangler 2dr and the 3.6 in my 2022 Gladiator. Yes, difference in weight between the vehicles, but the 2.0 is much spunkier and gets better MPGs. I favor the 2.0 without a doubt

Simple. If you need a pickup, keep the Gladiator. If not, keep the 392. This comes from a very wise man with lots of car and life experiences.

$9K off and got back $1K less than what you paid? Great deal for you!