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  1. Does anyone else think the 3.6L is under powered for the JT?

    At first glance, and as a person who always wants more power I would say yes. Then if you compare it to what the competition has, it is inline with other midsize trucks. I think if towing is what you want you should hold out for the diesel. If you have no need for towing it is probably fine
  2. JGF Live Coverage: 2020 Jeep Gladiator Debut from the LA Auto Show!

    A 2019 4 door Rubicon is already starts at 43K, so you can start your estimate from there. I would expect at least a $3-5K premium over the JL. And before everyone runs in here with there "I bought mine below invoice you are stupid if you pay MSRP" comments, I am just pointing out the MSRP...
  3. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    Change Raptor to King Ranch. The engines, suspension, body panels are all the same. There is still a $30K difference in price from the base model. The point here is a fully loaded JT will cost the same as a fully loaded full size truck. The only question for debate is if the JT's is worth...
  4. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    I say it is a $60-70K truck if I am talking about a Raptor or King Ranch. Does that make me dumb? A fully optioned JT Rubicon will be $60K+. A base JT Sport will not. The last time I checked stating facts does not make you dumb. Maybe you can enlighten all of us with your superior...
  5. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    That is like telling someone they don't have to pay for a Raptor, because they can get the base model F150 for $30K
  6. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    I don't think anyone here believes all buyers are getting a fully loaded Jeep at MSRP. However some people do want a fully, or at least well optioned model. It is being brought up to compare it to other options. A $65K price tag for a Jeep compared to a similarly equipped Raptor or Power...
  7. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    I could be wrong, but I thought the axles and some other components were different on the JT. So while it is not adding another set of doors and seats, it is adding the pickup bed, different frame, and whatever other components are getting upgraded to account for the increased towing capacity
  8. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    Of course many people are not paying sticker, but the MSRP of a loaded Rubicon is near $60K. I just configured one for over $58K with the turbo engine. Add in your $1000 for the pickup, which I think is too low, anoher $2000 for the diesel and you have exceeded $60K. Using the Tread Lightly...
  9. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    Rubicon and Sahara JLs already exceed $50k with the 3.6L, fully optioned closer to $60K. Add in an increase for the truck components and a diesel engine and you are above $60K.
  10. Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

    As almost everyone has said price. Rubicons are already approaching $60K. You can get a ZR2 for less than that price already. If the pickup version adds much additional cost and you are approaching Raptor and Power Wagon pricing. Both those trucks will be roomier and provide more towing and...
  11. 3.0 available for the '18 wk2 again

    My point was the current version is emission certified, meaning no barrier to putting it into production vehicles, however they are working on an updated version that will hopefully address some of the issues experienced. The only reason it was pulled was due to getting it certified by the EPA...
  12. 3.0 available for the '18 wk2 again

    The emissions issue was resolved awhile ago and you have been able to get the Ram 1500 with the diesel. However the new 2019 Rams have not yet offered the diesel and are expected to get an updated version of the 3.0. There is some good information over at 5thgenram about the issues that were...


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