EV - not ready for the masses?

[Tanners Owner]

For me, EV isn’t a viable solution, until charging becomes more available and charging is quicker or same time spent filling my tank.

I’m concerned that the push for EV isn’t supported by the current electrical grid- think Calif brown/ black outs.

I‘m intrigued by the hydrogen possibilities, but again, the lack of infrastructure is the problem

perhaps in a few more years…….

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[j.o.y.ride]

For me, EV isn’t a viable solution, until charging becomes more available and charging is quicker or same time spent filling my tank.

I’m concerned that the push for EV isn’t supported by the current electrical grid- think Calif brown/ black outs.

I‘m intrigued by the hydrogen possibilities, but again, the lack of infrastructure is the problem

perhaps in a few more years…….

California brown outs that most people have on mind were created by Enron to increase demand so they could charge a lot more.

Other brown outs come during fire conditions to de-electrify the power lines in the event of storm damage toppling them.

Actual real brown or blackouts are very rare, if never happen. On extremely hot days it may be discussed, not sure if it ever happens. Maybe in select locations but not the whole state.

 

[WILDHOBO]

For me, EV isn’t a viable solution, until charging becomes more available and charging is quicker or same time spent filling my tank.

I’m concerned that the push for EV isn’t supported by the current electrical grid- think Calif brown/ black outs.

I‘m intrigued by the hydrogen possibilities, but again, the lack of infrastructure is the problem

perhaps in a few more years…….

I certainly won’t argue that PUBLIC charging infrastructure is lacking, and that will take time and money to improve. That makes EV’s and PHEV’s difficult for apartment and condo residents, no question. But people with single family homes can very easily charge at home, with little or no need to charge more than once per day, while they are sleeping. And the costs added to your electric bill are dwarfed by gas prices. Dwarfed. It’s truly minuscule.

 

[jmdwifi]

If EV was viable yet, the charging strong problem would solve itself. I have 6 five gallon cans. I can put them in the bed and have more than another tank of fuel. Also, we have a shit ton of oil left. The free market will take of this.

 

[Kevin_D]

These poor people. You may be fine commuting, but these folks proved, meh, these aren't ready for replacing a regular vehicle if you have to drive anywhere but work or the grocery store.
And I figured, even with my wife's Grand Cherokee, we'd have paid only about $200 more for gas than they did for charging costs on the road, and, we'd have gotten there a lot faster and easier.
My son's Compass would have gotten there for less than 200 more, and there are a lot of gas powered cars breaking the 30 mpg barrier that would have cost a lot less than 200 more to get there.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

Remember, many vehicles rely on braking, coasting, whatever, to regenerate, and if you take mostly highway trips, or do driving with little use of brakes, you are in constant drain mode, not putting anything back.
They also commented on the huge lack of places to charge, needing to turn off cooling, turn down wipers and do other things just to make it to the next charging station. They mention the inability to use cruise control - LOL - electric drain, eh?

I wonder what their experience would've been in Tesla with the Tesla SuperCharger network?

Kevin

 

[j.o.y.ride]

CA is ~ 12% of the population but ~42% of the EV sales. CA sales are so strong that the US avg adoption rate is met at the 10th state in line, where you'd expect it more around the 25th state if it were evenly spread.

Remove CA from the discussion and EV has been out plenty long for all the initial predictions of friends telling friends would lead to massive adoption spikes like cell phones and electricity. And this demand would lead to massive new infrastructure for charging.

And some growth has happened but, CA aside, it's not taking off as predicted by many.

 

[Average-Joe]

I am not sold on EVs yet. I like to go to remote places like Big Bend where you are literally in the middle of nowhere. I am optimistic about the future but it’s just not for me yet. I like to tow my camper 400 miles or more in a day with minimal stopping. Range anxiety would suck

 

[WILDHOBO]

I am not sold on EVs yet. I like to go to remote places like Big Bend where you are literally in the middle of nowhere. I am optimistic about the future but it’s just not for me yet. I like to tow my camper 400 miles or more in a day with minimal stopping. Range anxiety would suck

PHEV is then perfect. Tons of torque and power, great fuel economy, and zero range anxiety. Our other current vehicle is a plug-in hybrid. It’s great. No gas for in town stuff, fast and powerful, and no range anxiety whatsoever. On long trips it gets around 50mpg. Locally it’s zero emissions, pure electric.

 

[WILDHOBO]

So I’d like to do an informal poll in this thread. I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m genuinely interested. How many people that think EVs are not practical/viable, or think charging is more expensive than gas, have owned one? This includes PHEV’s.

 

[ezekio3160]

That is a myth and not true.

The cleaner lifetime operations of the EV still comes in noticeably cleaner than ICE vehicles, even taking into consideration the EV's higher production and end-of-life disposal.

Where does electricity come from? Fossil fuels? Ok ok say it comes from solar, solar is not biodegradable. Also lithium mining process contaminates ground water. EV’s wear out tires faster more tire particle contamination per mile than ICE cars.

 

[ezekio3160]

For me, EV isn’t a viable solution, until charging becomes more available and charging is quicker or same time spent filling my tank.

I’m concerned that the push for EV isn’t supported by the current electrical grid- think Calif brown/ black outs.

I‘m intrigued by the hydrogen possibilities, but again, the lack of infrastructure is the problem

perhaps in a few more years…….

Japan is betting on hydrogen

 

[Zybane]

Where did this graph come from and is there any write up to support it? Not saying it isn't correct, but anybody can make a graph.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

With a US mix of electricity production by various sources, the Model 3 is already passing the gas Corolla at one year in efficiency.

 

[WILDHOBO]

So I’d like to do an informal poll in this thread. I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m genuinely interested. How many people that think EVs are not practical/viable, or think charging is more expensive than gas, have owned one? This includes PHEV’s.

Really? No takers? Has anyone on this thread that claims EVs either don’t work, or are more expensive to charge, ever owned one? Anyone? My advice is stop looking at charts. Talk to people that have these. They’ll happily tell you how it’s worked for them.

 

[Kevin_D]

So I’d like to do an informal poll in this thread. I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m genuinely interested. How many people that think EVs are not practical/viable, or think charging is more expensive than gas, have owned one? This includes PHEV’s.

For the way I drive, the current generation of pure EV isn't an option. A plug-in hybrid would probably work for me, though.
For the way my wife drives, an EV would be perfect.

While I haven't owned an electric, I've a very close friend that's on his 7th Tesla. I get stories from him all the time.

Kevin

 

[WILDHOBO]

For the way I drive, the current generation of pure EV isn't an option. A plug-in hybrid would probably work for me, though.
For the way my wife drives, an EV would be perfect.

Kevin

Have you owned either EV or PHEV by chance, or an extended range electric?

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