Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[ShadowsPapa]

This is simply one component of a system. I refuse to believe it cannot be rigged.

No, it's not, and that's likely why you will be the very first. No one has done it because it's so tricky, so hard, because you have to replace more than just that switch and reprogram some things. You can't simply put in a different switch. The BCM expects to see something. You'll have to find a way to trick it like leave the fob in the vehicle.

You will be the first if you accomplish it. It's not just a switch. You don't just pull the button out and connect the correct wires. Specific things must be sensed by the BCM (and likely other security)

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[sharpsicle]

My entire thread is about removing the fob from the system.

OK, I get it. I have just one question.

To achieve this, how much effort, money and downtime are you willing to live with investing on your Jeep? Because it's going to a a lot of all 3 of these to even understand if it's possible, let alone to do it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My entire thread is about removing the fob from the system.

Good luck with that. Have you looked at the code involved in these? The sensors and numbers of sensors - the antenna - involved? You'll be doing CODING. There simply is no simple way. Get yourself something like JSCAN or AlfaOBD and start looking at what this thing is expecting to fall into place - from various places, the modules that have to work together...........
This was engineered from the ground up to deal with a FOB, sensors and a button. It wasn't converted from a keyed switch, it was designed from the ground up this way.

 

[NachoRuby]

My entire thread is about removing the fob from the system.

They fob is the key to the vehicle's encryption. There's no way in without decryption. The only other method would be whatever the thieves are using to crack the encryption with their laptops. I think even they are just stealing the signal from your key fob, though, and amplifying it. It'd be like trying to open your phone or unlock your banking app without a password. You'd need a custom bcm and ECU, that aren't encrypted.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

OK, I get it. I have just one question.

To achieve this, how much time, money and downtime are you willing to live with investing on your Jeep? Because it's going to a a lot of all 3 of these to even understand if it's possible, let alone to do it.

Because of the various modules involved and the code involved, the fact it expects certain signals to be present and within specific parameters - you will be doing coding or designing some electronic circuits that will tell the BCM there is a fob when there is no fob.

You will need to be an EE, coder, and electrician.

 

[SPED1]

So, thinking about this. disclaimer , you do this at your own risk lol

The signal wire out of the keyless ignition node module would have to be tricked or bypassed. that is the ignition switch in the dash If i am right. 4 wires power ground ignition and a wire that is called a security K line. both that K line and the ignition positive go into the radio hub. Look at the starting wiring diagram and you will see what I mean. I can't attach it to this post. Again you do this at your own risk........

 

[Vtur]

My entire thread is about removing the fob from the system.

That's the easiest way to eliminate using the fob. But if you wanted to eliminate it all together, it will involves a way to tricks the security signal. Which will be hard without hardware and software coding.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

OK, I get it. I have just one question.

To achieve this, how much time, money and downtime are you willing to live with investing on your Jeep? Because it's going to a a lot of all 3 of these to even understand if it's possible, let alone to do it.

I will devote my life to it if neccessary. I don't have much going on otherwise.

I don't understand why so much resistance to gaining knowledge we don't currently have is happening.

Do we not want to know how to do this? Do we not have curiosity anymore?

Sorry. I get it isn't easy but all I am trying to do here is find people who think like me (if they exist) and think on a problem together.

Why everyone having such a conniption over it, I will never get.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

So, thinking about this. disclaimer , you do this at your own risk lol

The signal wire out of the keyless ignition node module would have to be tricked or bypassed. that is the ignition switch in the dash If i am right. 4 wires power ground ignition and a wire that is called a security K line. both that K line and the ignition positive go into the radio hub. Look at the starting wiring diagram and you will see what I mean. I can't attach it to this post. Again you do this at your own risk........

Jesus. Thank you. Just here asking for thoughts and ideas on how. Really appreciate the starting point. Thank you.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I will devote my life to it if neccessary. I don't have much going on otherwise.

I don't understand why so much resistance to gaining knowledge we don't currently have is happening.

Do we not want to know how to do this? Do we not have curiosity anymore?

Sorry. I get it isn't easy but all I am trying to do here is find people who think like me (if they exist) and think on a problem together.

Why everyone having such a conniption over it, I will never get.

Because no one else really wants or needs to do it. You are one of maybe 3 people who want it. Why would we want to learn how to do something we have no intent on ever doing? I want to learn things I care about or might do or want to do. Why would I give a rip what this takes? Why would it matter to 99% of all Jeep owners who have no problem?

You are asking us how to do something no one has done, would take many hours just to figure out how to do and you are about the only one who wants to do it.
Don't get pissed because no one knows how and no one cares to know how! It's important to you, but one else, so why rip them?

No, "WE" do not want to know how to do it. You do, we don't. But you blast others for not being interested in something one person wants - for god only knows what reason.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Good luck with that. Have you looked at the code involved in these? The sensors and numbers of sensors - the antenna - involved? You'll be doing CODING. There simply is no simple way. Get yourself something like JSCAN or AlfaOBD and start looking at what this thing is expecting to fall into place - from various places, the modules that have to work together...........
This was engineered from the ground up to deal with a FOB, sensors and a button. It wasn't converted from a keyed switch, it was designed from the ground up this way.

I haven't looked into anything about this. Just trying to find like minds to solve a problem.

I do understand the complexity of the system. This is why J didn't just do it like my last 3 vehicles.

I get some problems are harder than others. All problems can be solved IMO with time and ingenuity.

Just getting tired of the naysayers. I get it, it hasn't been done. I get it, its hard.

Hey, lets talk about how anyways.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Because no one else really wants or needs to do it. You are one of maybe 3 people who want it. Why would we want to learn how to do something we have no intent on ever doing? I want to learn things I care about or might do or want to do. Why would I give a rip what this takes? Why would it matter to 99% of all Jeep owners who have no problem?

You are asking us how to do something no one has done, would take many hours just to figure out how to do and you are about the only one who wants to do it.
Don't get pissed because no one knows how and no one cares to know how! It's important to you, but one else, so why rip them?

No, "WE" do not want to know how to do it. You do, we don't. But you blast others for not being interested in something one person wants - for god only knows what reason.

So to you I would say why are screwing up my thread. I get it, you don't like the idea and I can read why. Move on.

Can you name the other two members? I will just PM them so you dont have to see this.

Seriously people. If you can't help why naysay? You seem like crabs pulling the escapee crab back in the bucket.

I get it. It is hard.

I get it. We don't know how.

Cool.

Anyone still interested here is a thread to discuss theory and practice.

Nuts. Wtf.

 

[sharpsicle]

But you blast others for not being interested in something one person wants - for god only knows what reason.

You know, this does kinda sound like a thread about how to steal a Gladiator, doesn't it? I mean we're point blank being asked how to bypass the entire security and immobilization system...

 

[SpeedNeed]

Long Shot Idea:
Try pulling the battery out of the remote. To start vehicle, try holding brake pedal then physically holding the (now dead) key up against the to the start button. I don’t know how exactly: start button middle or edge rings, button depressed or not, which part of the key, beats me. But give it a couple seconds. I have a vague memory of reading that some start buttons, or the rings around them, are made to give the key enough juice to send it’s code to the car. My Jeep is on order, so I can’t test the theory.

 

[NachoRuby]

Long Shot Idea:
Try pulling the battery out of the remote. To start vehicle, try holding brake pedal then physically holding the (now dead) key up against the to the start button. I don’t know how exactly: start button middle or edge rings, button depressed or not, which part of the key, beats me. But give it a couple seconds. I have a vague memory of reading that some start buttons, or the rings around them, are made to give the key enough juice to send it’s code to the car. My Jeep is on order, so I can’t test the theory.

That does work. But he wants to eliminate the fob and its presence entirely.

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