Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[sharpsicle]

So to you I would say why are screwing up my thread. I get it, you don't like the idea and I can read why. Move on.

Can you name the other two members? I will just PM them so you dont have to see this.

Seriously people. If you can't help why naysay? Yo uh seem like crabs pulling the escapee crab back in the bucket.

I get it. It is hard.

I get it. We don't know how.

Cool.

Anyone still interested here is a thread to dicuss theory and practice.

Nuts.

Because a forum is a place to go for information and advice. We've been giving you both. The overwhelming advice has always been that it's not a good idea, it is way too involved to reasonably attempt, and doesn't serve any purpose. We're taking the time to explain why. Don't get mad at us for showing you the facts!

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[Challenger85]

 

[kevman65]

You know, this does kinda sound like a thread about how to steal a Gladiator, doesn't it? I mean we're point blank being asked how to bypass the entire security and immobilization system...

Nope, there are much easier and faster ways to steal a JT. It just isn't high on the list of people stealing vehicles.

I've already stated twice how it's done. And the FOB or it's signal are not needed.

Any good Electrical Engineer can figure it out pretty quick. How do I know? Because I watched one "steal" my JT in less than 20 minutes and the FOB was elsewhere with battery removed before he started.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Because a forum is a place to go for information and advice. We've been giving you both. The overwhelming advice has always been that it's not a good idea, it is way too involved to reasonably attempt, and doesn't serve any purpose. We're taking the time to explain why. Don't get mad at us for showing you the facts!

Holy s'nikes.

Yes. I have read. I would still like to pursue.

Why is it so hard for people to simply move on if a thread is not for them.

Yes. Hard. Yes. No idea how. Yes better off not bothering. Yes. Integrated into computer.

I GET IT.

I still would like to understand how to replace my proximity ignition with any other type of sytem.

This is a thread for people who say "me too" if they dont exist I'm happy to move on and figure crap out on my own.

I don't understand all the hostility to a question. Yes I understand the consensus.

This is a thread for people who want to figure it out. Maybe we never will. Frankly, certainly it seems this forum has no interest.

Cool. I still would like to. Looking for others. Damn.

 

[SPED1]

Not saying this will or won't work. That 1 wire on the actual push to start button. I do not know if it's power or ground but it looks like hitting it with the signal it requires MIGHT complete the circuit. Look over at the Wrangler Forum. Someone may be going totally ballz out on an off road only JL and may have figured it out. The bank owns more of mine than I do so they have more say than I do for what mods get done! Also try pirate 4X4 forums as this is more up their alley. Full off road no holds barred modification [less modules less weight! better rock crawling!]

 

[CivilJeep]

I don't know whether what you want to do is possible, or not. But I do think you need to have a better understanding of the system before you're going to be able to defeat it. Here is an example of how things work in a modern Jeep; when you press the button to put your window down, or activate some other feature, you're not activating the window motor at all. You're asking for permission from the computer to activate the window motor, and then it executes the command if all the reasons not to have been satisfied.

So when you're thinking about how to defeat the ignition switch, you aren't thinking big enough.

And just to be clear, I would never want to do this myself, but love the ambition!

 

[Vtur]

Don't forget about the steering wheel lock as well. The fob will need to be in the truck regardless, unless someone can reprogram the hardware.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I don't know whether what you want to do is possible, or not. But I do think you need to have a better understanding of the system before you're going to be able to defeat it. Here is an example of how things work in a modern Jeep; when you press the button to put your window down, or activate some other feature, you're not activating the window motor at all. You're asking for permission from the computer to activate the window motor, and then it executes the command if all the reasons not to have been satisfied.

So when you're thinking about how to defeat the ignition switch, you aren't thinking big enough.

And just to be clear, I would never want to do this myself, but love the ambition!

Right on. Appreciate it. You are absolutely correct, I need to learn much more about the system before I could even make an attempt.

Ambitious clearly.

Certainly I would like to thank everyone who has explained how hard it is.

Seriously.

I noticed.

Just looking for some like minds so I don't have to go it alone nor would they.

I have no idea if it is possible or not either. I do know I dont have power windows ?

 

[Mac]

I would look for a ‘22 Jeep brand vehicle that still uses a key and see if you can purchase the associated parts, there is a good chance they may plug right in to what the push button and associated systems use.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I would look for a ‘22 Jeep brand vehicle that still uses a key and see if you can purchase the associated parts, there is a good chance they may plug right in to what the push button and associated systems use.

Will do. Legitimate answer. Thanks.

 

[CivilJeep]

I know you've been beaten up pretty badly about this, but I love an underdog.

Explain to me what you would take as a "win" to have your proximity-less ignition. What if you could have it, but had to give up the backup camera and radio....is that worth it? What if you had to remove the drivetrain and replace it with 4.0 inline 6 and some analog gauges....is it worth the tradeoff to you? If there is a solution, what is your tolerance?

 

[NachoRuby]

Don't forget about the steering wheel lock as well. The fob will need to be in the truck regardless, unless someone can reprogram the hardware.

There is no steering wheel lock on JKs, JLs, or JTS

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I know you've been beaten up pretty badly about this, but I love an underdog.

Explain to me what you would take as a "win" to have your proximity-less ignition. What if you could have it, but had to give up the backup camera and radio....is that worth it? What if you had to remove the drivetrain and replace it with 4.0 inline 6 and some analog gauges....is it worth the tradeoff to you? If there is a solution, what is your tolerance?

Good question. If I could somehow bypass the ignition system I'd be happy trying then figure out anything downstream like radio, camera, etc...

As far as replacing drivetrain... not that ambitious. If I am being told that is the only way, I would seek another.

I want to make it clear. I appreciate every single person that is telling me not to bother.

Seriously. I really have read what you said and get your perspective and in a way absolutely agree.

Yet I would still like to learn how to replace my ignition system with any other type of ignition system.

I am just out here seeing if anyone else wants to go down the rabbit hole with me. We can figure it out together or not. Whatever. I want to do this and just seeking thoughts beyond "don't bother"

Seeking thoughts, theories and responses that aren't "forget it".

I get forget it. I just do not accept forget it. If nobody is interested, cool. If any are, here is a thread we can discuss it in.

 

[ALVagabond]

It would be easier to take an old vehicle of some sort, Jeep/light truck/etc., and replace the entire body with a JT body than it will to replace the wireless FOB + push-button and all the associated hardware/software changes that would require.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Just saying. The title of this post is "get creative challenge" not "tell me how creativity can't succeed challenge"

If nobody is interested just move along, is it really that hard? Is it that imperative to you to knock it down? Just say your peace and move on. If everyone is against it, cool, you can still move along to the next thread.

It has been made clear. This isn't easy or straightforward.

Cool. Anybody with interest in this I appreciate any discussion that reaches in the direction of the stated goal. Lets work together.

Nobody has interest? Cool. Stop messing up my thread, thanks.

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