Has anyone disabled telematics / LTE and GPS antennas?

[dcmdon]

By the way, it is indisputable that car companies derive income by selling data gathered from these systems to data brokers.

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[kad's_Glad]

By the way, it is indisputable that car companies derive income by selling data gathered from these systems to data brokers.

This is why there’s no off switch:
https://www.torquenews.com/3768/why-stellantis-expects-big-profits-subscription-services

Being able to sell to data brokers is just a profitable side effect in the grand scheme of things

 

[ShadowsPapa]

In reality some group at some meeting back in the day just chose to design the systems without a disconnect option.

Because in reality it's a non-issue right now. (it'll change, though)
If you are in an accident in which you were the stupid one, or do something illegal, it's going to be an issue. If you are in an accident and you have no proof you were not at fault, the car/truck may help you out.

There are instances where it's going to be something to watch - but you can also deal with it (security software on your phone) - when you plug your phone into a vehicle, some of them already suck down your texts, call logs, contacts and so on - and you THINK you erase all that........... do you?

A lot of the info is truly used to improve vehicles, and make driving safer - but....... Tesla uses real cameras to the point China won't allow a Tesla vehicle in certain areas.

There's nothing a vehicle is collecting about me that I'm worried about. Someone may get a laugh about some of it.
There are some things I'm glad vehicles collect. There are some people out there that simply should not be on the roads with us.


What exactly are people so concerned about their vehicle knowing about them or collecting? What EXACTLY is the issue? SPECIFICS........

 

[ShadowsPapa]

By the way, it is indisputable that car companies derive income by selling data gathered from these systems to data brokers.

Show an article from a reputable source - NOT an automotive blog or rag or something really out there like DailyMail, etc., but a genuine investigation like from a real consumer magazine or a major news organization.

When people can show the evidence then others will listen, but to say "it's indisputable" or "it's a well-known fact" or that sort of thing - and rest on that........... well, if it is, then there's solid proof out there. Not an attorney site, not a blog, not all of these pop-up auto expert sites where some guy sits in his basement writing auto reviews.......

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My insurance company DOES cover off road use. I asked them, and I have it in writing. Just ask them. My policy covered it without extra cost. I won’t file a claim unless it’s super serious, like major body damage. As @ShadowsPapa said, scratches are a choice going in. I do pay extra, about $600 per year, to have them cover my aftermarket upgrades up to a total coverage of 75k. I provided receipts and pictures of the upgrades. My rubicon stickered for 56k (I paid 52k), so am covered for a total loss for 19k in upgrades. For $50 more per month.

My agent has asked for pictures and a list of mods - I still need to get some of that to him. It's adding up, dang it!
Basically, people need to READ their policy, ASK their agent, make sure it's in writing, etc. as each company can handle things like this differently. There are no laws on that part.

 

[IamPro2A]

Vehicle computers have been recording and storing input data as long as they have been around. Decades. Of course the more inputs a modern car has, the more data it records and the easier it can distribute that data.

We can debate if the Washington Post is a rag or qualifies as a legit source of info, but the source used for the story is a legit company that specializes in using automotive computer forensics to reconstruct accidents for insurance companies and courts.

It's not conspiracy theory that it exists, the question is: there is so many OTHER data sources, does limiting one of thousands really even matter? Do you keep your cell phone off and in a faraday cage along with your ezpass? Are you still watching a "dumb" tv without any internet or cable connection? How secure is your connection to this forum, even? There are privacy issues all around us, and they extend WAY past Uconnect 4.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...-car-know-about-you-we-hacked-chevy-find-out/

 

[WILDHOBO]

You are absolutely missing the point. It should be your CHOICE to tell them. Your vehicle shouldn't be reporting your whereabouts to your insurance company.

Jesus, do none of you value your privacy anymore.

Let me guess : "Why would you have something to hide if you aren't doing anything wrong?"

I made the side point to avoid this, but since you insist, here you go. The insurance company doesn’t have a legal right to that data without a warrant. Go worry about something with a chance of actually occurring. If they had a legit reason for that data, you’d be a person that should worry about it. If you aren’t breaking the law or defrauding your insurance carrier, go back to your shanty and stop worrying about nothing.

 

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[ArmyMP]

I made the side point to avoid this, but since you insist, here you go. The insurance company doesn’t have a legal right to that data without a warrant. Go worry about something with a chance of actually occurring. If they had a legit reason for that data, you’d be a person that should worry about it. If you aren’t breaking the law or defrauding your insurance carrier, go back to your shanty and stop worrying about nothing.

Why would an insurance company need a warrant? Lmao

Oh wait they dont.. if you sign the disclaimer jeep could sell whatever data they want to whomever they want.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Why would an insurance company need a warrant? Loan

Oh wait they dont.. if you sign the disclaimer jeep could sell whatever data they want to whomever they want.

You have a loan with your insurance carrier?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Vehicle computers have been recording and storing input data as long as they have been around. Decades. Of course the more inputs a modern car has, the more data it records and the easier it can distribute that data.

We can debate if the Washington Post is a rag or qualifies as a legit source of info, but the source used for the story is a legit company that specializes in using automotive computer forensics to reconstruct accidents for insurance companies and courts.

It's not conspiracy theory that it exists, the question is: there is so many OTHER data sources, does limiting one of thousands really even matter? Do you keep your cell phone off and in a faraday cage along with your ezpass? Are you still watching a "dumb" tv without any internet or cable connection? How secure is your connection to this forum, even? There are privacy issues all around us, and they extend WAY past Uconnect 4.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...-car-know-about-you-we-hacked-chevy-find-out/

They use legit sources - and show exactly what they do and how and who did it. They went in with a "let's find out". That's what I was challenging people to show instead of "because I said so"........

Now people know exactly what is collected, and to some extent - what is being done with it - and what could be done with it.
But I still believe there are issues or problems bigger than this and to me, it's a "so what?!" thing.
My sister in law lives in a small town and a neighbor has a security camera - and she's found out that her property is visible by that camera and when she goes out to her truck, the neighbor's camera would show that.

Frankly I don't give a rip what my truck is recording. Why would I?

'Person of Interest' is becoming a reality.

 

[Adawg1203]

I don’t hide things from my insurance carrier. In fact, I had a proactive conversation with them about how this vehicle is used off road to make sure I had the appropriate policy. My policy covers me for off road accidents as well as on. My policy also covers my aftermarket upgrades in the event of a total loss. If I did track days, I’d insure the vehicle for that use, or I’d have enough money to not care about a claim.

Instead of worrying about someone finding out about something, just tell them up front and make sure you’re covered. If you don’t like the answer you get, switch carriers.

As far as warranty is concerned, If I break a part doing serious trails, I’ll replace it. If I couldn’t afford to do that, I’d keep it on easier forest roads. I put my Jeep in situations that could result in damage. Therefore I make sure I’m comfortable fixing it financially if something goes wrong. If someone isn’t, they should keep it at the mall.

And wake on LAN can be turned on by the IT department, and restricted so users can’t turn it off, along with virtually every bios setting.

You and some others have completely missed the point of what @dcmdon was making.

His example had nothing to do with being honest or dishonest or hiding something from an insurance agency. That was an example he chose to use.

The point he was making was the invasion of "PRIVACY" and the fact that you/we are completely unaware of what information is being collected about us by companies and what and who those companies are sharing it with.

You can say all you want how honest and open you are but is it 'honest' when someone is snooping, sharing, exposing info about you that you did not consent to nor were you aware of the activity.

That was the point.

 

[Adawg1203]

You are absolutely missing the point. It should be your CHOICE to tell them. Your vehicle shouldn't be reporting your whereabouts to your insurance company.

Jesus, do none of you value your privacy anymore.

Let me guess : "Why would you have something to hide if you aren't doing anything wrong?"

sorry saw this after I sent out a response LOL

 

[Adawg1203]

I made the side point to avoid this, but since you insist, here you go. The insurance company doesn’t have a legal right to that data without a warrant. Go worry about something with a chance of actually occurring. If they had a legit reason for that data, you’d be a person that should worry about it. If you aren’t breaking the law or defrauding your insurance carrier, go back to your shanty and stop worrying about nothing.

You are 1000% incorrect. Think beyond Insurance or Car maunafacterres. Do you think, google, apple, fb, cell carriers, government and tons more businesses foreign and domestic don't have info about us or the ability to attain it. Do you think a warrant was ever used (excluding court or law enforcement requets)? What about the HUGE fines some companies have paid for selling data on consumers without consent.

Im no fraudster or criminal but I'm not naive into believing my info to some degree isn't out there and so is yours. With or without our consent and we have NO IDEA how it is being used.

Your occupation says "network engineer' so I'm amazed at your perspective.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Then you should be more worried about covid tests and what the IRS has the right to do.
Did you know that many covid swabs were actually sent out for DNA sequencing? (I believe CDC says 20%)
When you pay those places like "ancestry" and others for DNA test - hope you read the fine print.
Users of instacrap or tiktok? Yeah.......... privacy?
If you have fakebook on your phone, until Google does some updates, FB is connected to many other apps and processes on your phone - data sharing.

Privacy? What do I do with my truck that is in any sense "private" where I should be worried (other than the fact the system has all of my phone logs as quick as I connect my phone to the truck)
And yet people are using Apple's CarPlay, Android Auto, and even connect via bluetooth or a cable thinking they are only charging.
If you are really concerned do not use carplay, android auto or connect your phone to the system in any way, shape or form - cable or BT.
Buying a used "radio" for your Jeep? Check it out - it might have the prior owner's phone info on it.
How many times has your face showed up in the photos or videos others have taken with their cell phone? You might be surprised.
Do you use a credit card? Do you have it setup on your phone to simply tap and pay? Don't use any of those online coupon sites, or Rakuten.

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