Has anyone disabled telematics / LTE and GPS antennas?

[WILDHOBO]

You and some others have completely missed the point of what @dcmdon was making.

His example had nothing to do with being honest or dishonest or hiding something from an insurance agency. That was an example he chose to use.

The point he was making was the invasion of "PRIVACY" and the fact that you/we are completely unaware of what information is being collected about us by companies and what and who those companies are sharing it with.

You can say all you want how honest and open you are but is it 'honest' when someone is snooping, sharing, exposing info about you that you did not consent to nor were you aware of the activity.

That was the point.

And yet you and everyone else DID consent to that data collection. You consented when you purchased and activated that 8.4 radio. You consent every time you download a data collecting app on your phone, tablet, or computer. I did not miss any point. I promise. If you don’t want data collected, buy an 80’s car, throw away your phone and computer, and stop buying things online. All of which is your free choice to do.

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[WILDHOBO]

You are 1000% incorrect. Think beyond Insurance or Car maunafacterres. Do you think, google, apple, fb, cell carriers, government and tons more businesses foreign and domestic don't have info about us or the ability to attain it. Do you think a warrant was ever used (excluding court or law enforcement requets)? What about the HUGE fines some companies have paid for selling data on consumers without consent.

Im no fraudster or criminal but I'm not naive into believing my info to some degree isn't out there and so is yours. With or without our consent and we have NO IDEA how it is being used.

Your occupation says "network engineer' so I'm amazed at your perspective.

My perspective is because of my expertise. You and many others quickly click past the consent to all of this data collection. Then you complain later that it’s being collected. If you don’t want data collected about your activities, choose your technologies more carefully.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My perspective is because of my expertise. You and many others quickly click past the consent to all of this data collection. Then you complain later that it’s being collected. If you don’t want data collected about your activities, choose your technologies more carefully.

Oh, like this? (from "the book")

 

[WILDHOBO]

Oh, like this? (from "the book")

And there it is. And yet, very few people read that. They just click and drive, right before complaining about their supposedly stolen freedoms.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And there it is. And yet, very few people read that. They just click and drive, right before complaining about their supposedly stolen freedoms.

Nothing I have used or have done has had a DIRECT impact on my life. It's not changed anything (other than ads I see or get or the mail I get telling me I qualify for 10 credit cards a week and banks and insurance agents chasing me down wanting me as a customer)

Since there is no impact (direct) on the life I live or my family or safety.......... all the rest can be irritating as heck, but I'm bigger concerns- Ukraine, price of oil, inflation, my health, health care.......

 

[u-joint]

Nothing I have used or have done has had a DIRECT impact on my life. It's not changed anything (other than ads I see or get or the mail I get telling me I qualify for 10 credit cards a week and banks and insurance agents chasing me down wanting me as a customer)

Since there is no impact (direct) on the life I live or my family or safety.......... all the rest can be irritating as heck, but I'm bigger concerns- Ukraine, price of oil, inflation, my health, health care.......

Yes/no.

While I completely agree that there are more pressing concerns, and agree that the average consumer does this to themselves - hello, Facebook - I also think it is dangerous to dismiss it simply because it "hasn't hurt me yet".

Our privacy has been continuously eroded, and there seems to be no end in sight to the data that will be collected on us. This is concerning.

Personally, I think that IF Stellantis is somehow using Jeep telemetry to monetize its customers, that is the least of our concerns.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Personally, I think that IF Stellantis is somehow using Jeep telemetry to monetize its customers, that is the least of our concerns.

My point maybe wasn't well-expressed. I'm not really concerned about Jeep - I am concerned about what certain "entities" already know about me and can easily use it (and have used it against some) and there's nothing we can do about it.
To say more may violate some rules here.

 

[Adawg1203]

My perspective is because of my expertise. You and many others quickly click past the consent to all of this data collection. Then you complain later that it’s being collected. If you don’t want data collected about your activities, choose your technologies more carefully.

I thought I made a comment about consent, but realize I didn't. You are correct that many agreements in all industries, consumers knowingly (read and understand the fine print upon signing something or clicking 'agree to all') or unknowingly are consenting to data collection.

However, collecting data is only one piece of the equation. What data is collected? How secure is it? Who is it being sold too? What info is being sold aka shared? How is the data being used? That sort of information is not always clear to consumers.

You made the comment 'choose your technologies more carefully', but things are not that simple.

Everyone has a smart device these days and they (devices) are constantly listening and tracking locations (gps does not have to be off). The microphones can listen for more than just the 'hey Siri', 'hi bixby', or 'Alexa play something'. Devices always know your location 'no gps required' and all of that is logged and sent back to some large tech company. Not saying it is for bad intent but absolutely is happening. Maybe it is just for marketing purposes. Who knows.

Today, how information is being used may seem 'acceptable' but it is tomorrow that should be the concern. The point is, there is no stopping what has already been started. Businesses and governments will always want MORE. When is enough, enough?

That all said we shouldn't fear technology as it makes all of our lives easier, but tech has certainly blurred all lines as it relates to ones prviacy.

 

[Adawg1203]

My point maybe wasn't well-expressed. I'm not really concerned about Jeep - I am concerned about what certain "entities" already know about me and can easily use it (and have used it against some) and there's nothing we can do about it.
To say more may violate some rules here.

Winner, winner. You hit the nail on the head.

Your couple of sentences summed things up perfectly!

 

[dcmdon]

I made the side point to avoid this, but since you insist, here you go. The insurance company doesn’t have a legal right to that data without a warrant. Go worry about something with a chance of actually occurring. If they had a legit reason for that data, you’d be a person that should worry about it. If you aren’t breaking the law or defrauding your insurance carrier, go back to your shanty and stop worrying about nothing.

The cops can't get data from the car without a warrant.

Which is why its so swell for the automakers that you have already agreed to let them share your data with "partners". It was in the agreement that you didn't read when you signed up for your free U-connect trial.

I read recently that police were complaining that they needed a warrant to track someone real time using a cell phone. But that commercial data brokers were selling this to private entities with no oversight whatsoever.

The difference is that the phone customers signed over their right to privacy when they signed their phone agreement.

 

[dcmdon]

You and some others have completely missed the point of what @dcmdon was making.

His example had nothing to do with being honest or dishonest or hiding something from an insurance agency. That was an example he chose to use.

The point he was making was the invasion of "PRIVACY" and the fact that you/we are completely unaware of what information is being collected about us by companies and what and who those companies are sharing it with.

You can say all you want how honest and open you are but is it 'honest' when someone is snooping, sharing, exposing info about you that you did not consent to nor were you aware of the activity.

That was the point.

Exactly. My threshold for sharing is ZERO. I don't want anyone with any of my information unless I explicitly consent to it.

I understand that I have already made HUGE compromises with my mobile phone. But I can always leave my phone behind.

I use a VPN with a privacy oriented browser when I'm on the internet.

I do what I can. Its not 100%. But the cost to leave a smaller footprint is very very low.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The cops can't get data from the car without a warrant.

Which is why its so swell for the automakers that you have already agreed to let them share your data with "partners". It was in the agreement that you didn't read when you signed up for your free U-connect trial.

I read recently that police were complaining that they needed a warrant to track someone real time using a cell phone. But that commercial data brokers were selling this to private entities with no oversight whatsoever.

The difference is that the phone customers signed over their right to privacy when they signed their phone agreement.

So did you when you agreed to the use of Uconnect.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So did you when you agreed to the use of Uconnect.

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff on that 8" unit that just plain won't function or aren't available if it can't connect. I live in a fringe area regarding cellular service. There are many times I start my truck and drive a couple of miles before some things will even show up on the screen. As Bill already mentioned - off-road pages aren't there until it can make a connection to the cell system.
There are some things I really like about it, though - I know that if my wife was out with her Jeep in bad weather and I've not heard from her well past the time I knew she should have made contact or been home, I can locate her Jeep. That vehicle is one of the best on the market for bad weather, especially snow and ice, but still - OTHER people could lead to trouble. So if I am concerned, I can find her Jeep.
Anyway, if you are concerned about "information" - do not buy the system - get the lower end stuff.

I bit of humor in the use of internet and web - ever go to a site and see "xxx wants to use your location.........." and you can allow or block?
Doesn't matter to me - sometimes it thinks I'm in MI or WI, sometimes it thinks I'm in SC or some other far away land. Never ever has any site said "hey, I see you are in xxxx Iowa can we use this location". Why? Because my internet is supplied by the cellular network! IP addresses mean nothing. And I get a different one every so often - that's why today it may say I'm needing to use a Chicago Harbor Freight store and next week it thinks I'm needing to use the store in Fargo or whatever. I laugh when these cop shows on TV say "can you find their address? Sure, I'll just use their IP address and get you their exact location!
HAHAHA - yeah, right. Doesn't work that way. In my case they'd narrow it down to several states (unless the cell company was contacted but even then - they don't know where my router is physically)

I'm still more concerned about what OTHER entities have done - for decades. I have been involved with the FBI and others............. and I know what the IRS has done to people and organizations. That's where my concern lies.
Companies have been selling and sharing information for a very long time - and you can't opt out of much of it. Some you can, but some they say - no, sorry, you can't stop that.
Why? Well, campaign contributions.......... it's the same reasoning that much of the EU hates the US because we refuse to do anything to block SPAM and about 75% of all spam in the world originates in the US and the EU is ticked about it. Why won't we block spam or stop spammers? Give you 3 guesses and the first two don't count.

 

[dcmdon]

So did you when you agreed to the use of Uconnect.

Absolutely. I did. I made the assessment that in the winter the app based remote start was worth the loss of privacy. Once ski season is over I'll disable it. Somehow. Ha.

But again, this is about having the choice. Most are willing to trade privacy for services. We should all have the option of drawing the line where we want it to be.

I've also opted out of all the tracking via this link.

https://www.jeep.com/crossbrand_us/privacy#par-9

Though of course I have serious doubts about whether or not it does anything.

 

[rharr]

So I should be ok having paid jeep extra money for the $600+ telemetry system that is now standard and sends anonymous data to Mopar for their financial benefit, and expect no return on a system that I paid for that doesn't benefit me?

I am talking 5 and 7 unconnect, if you are getting a jeep with 8.4 system you know it's wired to the mother ship for the features you want.

All i am saying is for this conversation, we assume all jeeps have some sort of telemetry system that uses a 4g network and info is sent back to jeep for mopars profit and benefit. We paid for this system whether we wanted it or not though the base cost of the jeep.

What if i don't want to play their game how can i stop a device that i paid for stop sending data to mopar or how can i can I get a piece of the action?

Secondly look at the fiasco with 3g shutting down and the impact it is having on cars with 3g telemetry, you think what ever cell tech that is in our jeep is going be around in 10 years? and if not what kinda of headache will that cause us? Automotive is going to get very interesting the more connected computers system are added and technology changes and gets left behind.

We are at that point, where with a connected car, it can be shut down because some software coding can't phone home and get some bit's and bytes that say run.

Some of us just want dumb simple machines that turn on and off.

If I own a device I want to be in charge, not someone else pulling the strings, for their short term profit, I don't want my car to become a paper weight when a technology moves on or ppl making money off things i funded without getting a cut.

is that to much to ask?

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