Hemi swap help...

Mr.Hemi

New Member
First Name
Cody
Joined
Jun 14, 2022
Threads
1
Messages
4
Reaction score
2
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2001 Dodge Cummins, 2013 SS 1LE Camaro
Alright, new here. First post.

Recently a front end accident Gladiator sport has come up for sale in a upcoming auction. The perfect candidate for a project I've wanted to do for a while. Hemi swapped gladiator.
I swapped a hemi in my last truck and I am familiar with the platform. From what I have read the 6.2 and 6.4 drop in nicely.

Now I imagine it's still gonna sell somewhat high for a written off truck, and I don't mind paying the price, I also don't mind paying good money for a 6.2 SC/ 392 pallet , my issue.....axles...or the price of them. 20k for built Dana 60s???

What other routes could I take...obviously the Dana's out of the 3/4 Rams would work but they're to wide (?)
Has anyone had any luck getting a shop to chop them down?
Or are their any other options you can think of. Cause I cannot justify 20k for axles on a weekend warrior garage build.

 

bleda2002

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 11, 2021
Threads
17
Messages
1,154
Reaction score
1,590
Location
34655
Vehicle(s)
2021 JTR Firecracker Red
I mean stock 392 is running gladiator axles with no FAD...The m210 and m220 arent the d44's of old and will handle 37 or 38's pretty readily, especially since with the extra torque you could probably stay around a 4.56 or 4.88. Add trusses and gussets, rcv's and chromoly and you should be fine up to 40's if you keep half a brain when wheeling.
 

LostWoods

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 13, 2020
Threads
9
Messages
1,870
Reaction score
2,055
Location
Gilbert, AZ
Vehicle(s)
2020 Sport S Max Tow
It's not torque that's the concern, it's sudden changes in torque. For perspective, Dynatrac's standard D44 JK axle isn't available for the JL/JT because they're too damn close. 3/8" axle housings and 32 spline axles will put up with a lot of abuse.

Where you will have issues is shock loading and more torque coming in or more rotating mass will make matters worse. With some chromoly axle shafts and maybe a truss I have no doubt the stock axles can handle street driven 38s with a hemi up front but if you want to wheel, you gotta pay.
 

Rusty PW

Well-Known Member
First Name
Russ
Joined
Jan 10, 2022
Threads
7
Messages
2,769
Reaction score
6,367
Location
Fayette Nam, Pennsyltucky
Website
www.youtube.com
Vehicle(s)
'22 JTRD, '11 370Z Nismo, '07 Honda VFR
Build Thread
Link
Occupation
Retired CRO
The Dodges have the Dana axles to the 2gens. The 3gen Rams and up have the AAM axles. 3/4 ton and up use the AAM 9.25 axle. It's stronger than the Dana 60. with RCV's in it. You wouldn't break it. The 2gen 3gen and 4gen used a 4 link front like the JT, only larger. The 4.5 and 5gens uses use a 3 link. The weak link is the ball joints. The oem ball joints are junk. Carli, EMF and Dynatrac make good ball joints for it.

The rear uses different axles. a 10.5 or the 11.5. The 10.5 came in the 3gen Power Wagons with electric locker and 4.56 gears. The 4gen and up Power Wagon came with 4.10's and lockers. But you can get lower gears for it. The 10.5 you can't. All use a leaf spring rear up to the 4.5 gens. From there they use coils.
 


Hootbro

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2019
Threads
22
Messages
2,952
Reaction score
4,087
Location
Delaware
Vehicle(s)
2022 Gladiator Rubicon
I think when you are done pissing around trying to morph something else in there, you will probably be at a small delta difference in savings or even a negative and just wished you bought the made for DANA 60's to begin with.

Only thing else I can say is maybe look for a used take off set even if it comes off a Wrangler. The rear DANA 60's on Wranglers can be morphed over with just a bracket kit and some welding.
 

Escape.idiocracy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rich
Joined
Jan 23, 2022
Threads
14
Messages
377
Reaction score
373
Location
PNW
Vehicle(s)
Jt
Occupation
Hitchhiker

shrinkhead

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2019
Threads
62
Messages
716
Reaction score
654
Location
Massachusetts
Vehicle(s)
Gladiator Launch Edition
been wheeling with the HEMI and stock axles with RCVs and Yukons on 38s with no issues so far - 18 months in - point being axles not a priority can do a little later down the road
 

Dougstdig

Well-Known Member
First Name
Doug
Joined
Sep 5, 2017
Threads
9
Messages
623
Reaction score
547
Location
FL
Vehicle(s)
‘21 JTRD - '08 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4
Last edited:
OP
OP

Mr.Hemi

New Member
First Name
Cody
Joined
Jun 14, 2022
Threads
1
Messages
4
Reaction score
2
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2001 Dodge Cummins, 2013 SS 1LE Camaro
Super duty swap

front
https://www.artecindustries.com/japex1tswap-sd60

rear
https://www.artecindustries.com/jtapexr1tbrackets

As noted above- factory axles are strong enough for a 392 factory…..
personally and my opinion…. If you are going to go 37”+ tires…. And off road- should do it with confidence and have a set of axles…



That is a good option honestly. Super duty axles are a dime a dozen it seems like.
But tbh this vehicle will see 99% pavement and the odd time it'll be at the dunes when I'm staging a dirtbike
 


OP
OP

Mr.Hemi

New Member
First Name
Cody
Joined
Jun 14, 2022
Threads
1
Messages
4
Reaction score
2
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2001 Dodge Cummins, 2013 SS 1LE Camaro
been wheeling with the HEMI and stock axles with RCVs and Yukons on 38s with no issues so far - 18 months in - point being axles not a priority can do a little later down the road

Thank you for the real world experience. I won't be using it as a serious offroad by no means so I may stick with stock axles
 
OP
OP

Mr.Hemi

New Member
First Name
Cody
Joined
Jun 14, 2022
Threads
1
Messages
4
Reaction score
2
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2001 Dodge Cummins, 2013 SS 1LE Camaro
Not sure what you’re thinking a Hemi swap is going to run, but after dealing with the motor and transmission and any other subsequent systems involved in the swap including computer you’re probably looking at $30-$40,000 for the swap. Whats another 18 to 20k for axles?

https://www.dynatrac.com/axle-assem...dynatrac-axle-sets-for-jeep-jt-gladiator.html

269F9D94-F87F-4132-A14C-5DCA42227529.png


1D106D37-EB81-4B0B-838C-08B60CCA980D.png


1C22E9CB-B4E9-43CD-812C-D77D9EE90F31.png


884F3A21-9A82-412A-93D3-090FED3D97CE.png


683FFC3B-C4DD-49CE-9D89-F1775134D044.png


1BF35732-BE89-48A1-83F3-105E9DD2FA90.png
All the AMW is expensive because they use new hardware and the labour cost is expensive. Now they are probably the best in the business and create the most "factory" like swap on the market but with some time and patience I'm sure I can have similar results for much cheaper as I'm doing it myself.

392 pallets from SRT Jeeps/Challengers/Chargers regularly go for about 7-10,000$
8 speed from a ram 3000$
Plug and play harness 1500$
Driveshafts 2500$
And that covers the heavy lifting. Everything else is relatively easy.

Plus sell factory engine and trans for 5-7k.

I don't think it'll cost me more than 20.

If I want to save more money I have a 5.7 with a wiped cam lobe (Fkn MDS junk) sitting in my garage collecting dust waiting for a nice H/C/I build that would be great to. But I've never had a 392 and want one lol.
 

Escape.idiocracy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rich
Joined
Jan 23, 2022
Threads
14
Messages
377
Reaction score
373
Location
PNW
Vehicle(s)
Jt
Occupation
Hitchhiker
I would still have the front axle trussed (minimum)

 

 
Top