I was frustrated when I was told I had to replace the New bumper I just bought as part of my new truck if I wanted a winch. I looked under the bumper and saw that with some minor cutting I could fit a winch easily in the space provided. I got a winch plate and Warn winch and made it work. Looks great works great saved at least $600.00. I figured what do I have to loose by trying everyone else said just throw it away any way.