Lets talk manual transmission and stalling.

[Hipbilly]

...I'm real curious when and why it came and went.

My, again, guess.... is its an expensive solution to a low-occurance problem. they probably had them in there as an overly-cautious move from the factory, and did some additional testing, and watched the field...

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[Bbannongmu]

I’m smooth in the throttle - which is tricky and has some lag and smooth off the clutch in my Rubi and zero stalling and generally crawl off-road with my left foot planted on the floor, feeding gas with my right. That’s Rubi gearing in 4lo. In 4wd hi situations I’ve had to work the clutch a bit but no stalling. I feel like the clutch had gotten better with age and I’m sure I’m just getting used to it too.

 

[stickshifter]

Earlier in this thread someone brought up the possibility of replacing the clutch with an aftermarket one from Centerforce. I put a CF clutch in an old Toyota pickup with the 22r engine - turbo-charged and used in some desert races. Super fun. The CF clutch is great, but heavy. It will likely be too heavy for some people for daily driving. So if you have a janky left knee, or maybe a little plantar fasciitis (arch pain) or some other issue, the CF clutch will not be an enjoyable experience. On the other hand, it is a good strong clutch that will hold up well if you ride the clutch when you drive (which you shouldn’t), if you are towing, or if you are slow getting off the clutch driving in sand or in the rocks (creeping). That was my experience with CF 25 years ago. Your experience may vary

 

[firemedic2714]

Earlier in this thread someone brought up the possibility of replacing the clutch with an aftermarket one from Centerforce. I put a CF clutch in an old Toyota pickup with the 22r engine - turbo-charged and used in some desert races. Super fun. The CF clutch is great, but heavy. It will likely be too heavy for some people for daily driving. So if you have a janky left knee, or maybe a little plantar fasciitis (arch pain) or some other issue, the CF clutch will not be an enjoyable experience. On the other hand, it is a good strong clutch that will hold up well if you ride the clutch when you drive (which you shouldn’t), if you are towing, or if you are slow getting off the clutch driving in sand or in the rocks (creeping). That was my experience with CF 25 years ago. Your experience may vary

There has to be a clutch out there that's more durable than the factory one and less aggressive than the CF. This clutch has ruined my left leg (mostly my knee) for any of my other cars because it's so light. My wife's Acura TL's clutch is noticeably heavier than this. I can hardly drive my Trans Am more than a few miles without feeling the burn and I dread stop-n-go traffic when I'm in it.

 

[firemedic2714]

I’m smooth in the throttle - which is tricky and has some lag and smooth off the clutch in my Rubi and zero stalling and generally crawl off-road with my left foot planted on the floor, feeding gas with my right. That’s Rubi gearing in 4lo. In 4wd hi situations I’ve had to work the clutch a bit but no stalling. I feel like the clutch had gotten better with age and I’m sure I’m just getting used to it too.

I learned real quick that 2nd gear in 4LO is "off-road cruise control" for manual JTs when crawling over rough terrain. I also find I can go from start to stop in 6th gear.

 

[USMC32GTR]

I stalled leaving the dealer (embarrassing) and probably 4-5 more times after that within 48 hours. I’ve owned over 50 manual transmission vehicles. This one is tricky feeling. Doesn’t help that the engine is so quiet. This is trickier on take up than the twin disk 750hp capacity unit in my other car.

 

[kd1yt]

I had the clutch recall done recently. I did not qualify for the large scale replacement of clutch disk and pressure plate, just the more minor work that includes a few more minor parts and a bleed of the clutch hydraulics. I am surprised that I can detect _some_ improvement in the feel and responsiveness of the clutch- not everything that I wish, but it is welcome improvement.

 

[firemedic2714]

I had the clutch recall done recently. I did not qualify for the large scale replacement of clutch disk and pressure plate, just the more minor work that includes a few more minor parts and a bleed of the clutch hydraulics. I am surprised that I can detect _some_ improvement in the feel and responsiveness of the clutch- not everything that I wish, but it is welcome improvement.

The fact that you didn't need all that replaced means you are driving it correctly and not overheating anything.?

 

[AleYeah]

Save your money on a Borla and just go to a muffler shop to eliminate the baffles and straight pipe it. Sounds great, save $$$, and you can get creative on where you want the tailpipe to exit the vehicle.

Skimmed the whole thread and didn't see anyone else ask... does such a mod have any warranty implications?

 

[loudog3114]

I have owned 5 other wranglers and probably 15 other manual cars in my life, and I've driven stick since I was 18. The 3.6 has no torque; none. So yes, it stalls, a lot.

I recruited two of my stick driving friends on separate occasions to help me launch my boat with the JT. Neither could get it to move with the boat attached.

 

[firemedic2714]

I have owned 5 other wranglers and probably 15 other manual cars in my life, and I've driven stick since I was 18. The 3.6 has no torque; none. So yes, it stalls, a lot.

I recruited two of my stick driving friends on separate occasions to help me launch my boat with the JT. Neither could get it to move with the boat attached.

You may have to try it in 4LO (unless you did already. In that case, disregard)

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