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I don't understand your question. (To clarify I was referring to the Wrangler Rubicon). When properly equipped with a 3.6 Pentastar with automatic it has a tow rating of 5k.
Respectfully, you’re not understanding the question. He’s not saying Jeep doesn’t “rate” the Wrangler to tow 5K, he’s saying that while Jeep rates Wrangler to tow 5K with the tow package the hitch they install on the vehicle isn’t rated to tow 5K. Defeats the purpose of rating it to tow 5K when you only install a hitch that can only handle 3500 lbs.
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Respectfully, you’re not understanding the question. He’s not saying Jeep doesn’t “rate” the Wrangler to tow 5K, he’s saying that while Jeep rates Wrangler to tow 5K with the tow package the hitch they install on the vehicle isn’t rated to tow 5K. Defeats the purpose of rating it to tow 5K when you only install a hitch that can only handle 3500 lbs.
Ok, I get the Class II / III hitch thing. Even with all of the notes and asterisks, Jeep is opening itself up to trouble over a simple cheap upgrade.
 

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I don't understand your question. (To clarify I was referring to the Wrangler Rubicon). When properly equipped with a 3.6 Pentastar with automatic it has a tow rating of 5k.
I think you'd have to get free floating rear axles for that. Without that, I've never seen a Wrangler rated at more than 3500.
 

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I think you'd have to get free floating rear axles for that. Without that, I've never seen a Wrangler rated at more than 3500.
But even the ones with the full float axle come with a hitch rated at 3500lbs. I can't find an aftermarket class 3 hitch for the Wrangler. In my opinion it was nothing but a marketing campaign as you cannot at this point "properly equip" a JLU to tow 5k. Definitely not from the factory and even aftermarket doesn't look readily available.
 

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The Wrangler doesn't come with a 5k lb tow rating. They claimed it would be available for 2024, but there is not 1 example that has actually come with a hitch rated over 3500lbs. Not saying that has any relevance to gladiator 4xe tow ratings, but it's a myth that the 4xe JLU is rated lower than the non 4xe.
Only on models that have full float rear axle. Those are not available on 4xe-models.
 

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Only on models that have full float rear axle. Those are not available on 4xe-models.
Again only slower, even the Rubicons with the full float axle come with a 3500lb rated hitch. Jeep doesn't make, provide, or install a Wrangler hitch rated over 3500lbs on ANY model so tell me how you're going to tow 5k? The 4xe gets the same 3500lb hitch, ie every JLU is in fact rated to tow the same.
 

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I'm guessing the answer is no, but I'm curious what folks think about the possibility of the Gladiator 4xE being offered with the Max Tow package and a 6500lb tow rating. That would match what the diesel platform provided without a Max tow package. On the Wrangler the standard tow capacity is 5000lbs with either the V6 or 2.0 Turbo with the 4xE version coming in at 3500lbs with the 2.0.
Having a Wrangler 4xe, everything is the same as the 5000lbs rated Wrangler versions but the limitation is cooling, so I don't really see how they can get the gladiator to 6000lbs plus towing given that limitation. I hope they do, I'll buy one

I've towed 5000lbs with my 4xe and had to slow down some on really big hills in 80 degree plus weather due to heat. On the mass tpk there's a stretch that goes from 200' elevation to 1700' in a straight climb and on an 85 degree day I had to gradually slow from 65mph to 55mph to keep the engine temps under 240. That was the only limitation, otherwise it has tons of power and no stability issues. Trans never got over 205 degrees, battery power never got reduced. It's purely cooling limited. 9mpg average on a 2k mile trip towing a 5000lbs loaded camper from VA up into Canada and back in July.
 
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That’s interesting. Thank you. I wonder if having a 4.10 gear ratio would have effected the driving experience while towing that much weight.
 

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Only on models that have full float rear axle. Those are not available on 4xe-models.
The Rubicons all get the full float axles. The 4xe and 392 don't have enough cooling to pull 5000lbs. Everything else is the same, but the 392 gets a small lift, 35's and 4.56 gears. Cooling is also the limitation with the gladiator.
 

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I’d look to the Grand Cherokee 4xe tow rating as a clue. With the tow package the GC 4xe is rated at 6000lbs. That’s what I remember when I was looking at the GC owners manual for the 2024 model year a while ago. The Gladiator might be a bit heavier and the grill may be a limiting factor for cooling compared to the GC. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Gladiator 4xe would tow more than 6000lbs
 

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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic in your response to the above two posts, but my answer to your topic is No.

No 4XE Gladiator with Max Tow. You’ll have to wait for a full EV Gladiator for that.
I think you might be right, I recall one of the videos from either TFL or another YouTube channel that discussed how the hybrid engine design in the Wrangler would not be suitable for towing in the Gladiator and probably the reason why we haven’t seen a 4xe variant yet.
 

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Having a Wrangler 4xe, everything is the same as the 5000lbs rated Wrangler versions but the limitation is cooling, so I don't really see how they can get the gladiator to 6000lbs plus towing given that limitation. I hope they do, I'll buy one
No, it's not the same......... the rear axle is different.

I've towed 5000lbs with my 4xe and had to slow down some on really big hills in 80 degree plus weather due to heat. On the mass tpk there's a stretch that goes from 200' elevation to 1700' in a straight climb and on an 85 degree day I had to gradually slow from 65mph to 55mph to keep the engine temps under 240. That was the only limitation, otherwise it has tons of power and no stability issues. Trans never got over 205 degrees, battery power never got reduced. It's purely cooling limited. 9mpg average on a 2k mile trip towing a 5000lbs loaded camper from VA up into Canada and back in July.
You'll only tow a load with the engine running. We've discussed this to death on the dedicated 4xe forums. The electric motors on these can't handle a sustained load at highway speeds and will kick the engine on to reduce the load and amperage draw on the electric motor. Otherwise, even just driving in hot weather that engine may kick in now and then to reduce the load - and temperature - of the electric motor sitting in the front of the transmission.

Imagine that sort of a load on a 2.0 turbo and that sort of heat - 240 degrees, that oil has to be suffering.
That's not a Wrangler I'd want to buy used.


I’d look to the Grand Cherokee 4xe tow rating as a clue. With the tow package the GC 4xe is rated at 6000lbs. That’s what I remember when I was looking at the GC owners manual for the 2024 model year a while ago. The Gladiator might be a bit heavier and the grill may be a limiting factor for cooling compared to the GC. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Gladiator 4xe would tow more than 6000lbs
Apples and oranges. You have the drag of a Wrangler vs. the drag of a Grand Cherokee at highway speeds, cooling and other factors.
The Grand Cherokee with 3.6 has a tow rating of 6,200 pounds - more than some of the Gladiators! What's that tell you?
It's not all as simple as people seem to keep circling back to.
If a 2021 Grand Cherokee with 3.6 and 8 speed auto can tow more than a Gladiator with the 3.6 and 8 speed auto, there's far more to it than people here are grasping.
 

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No, it's not the same......... the rear axle is different.


You'll only tow a load with the engine running. We've discussed this to death on the dedicated 4xe forums. The electric motors on these can't handle a sustained load at highway speeds and will kick the engine on to reduce the load and amperage draw on the electric motor. Otherwise, even just driving in hot weather that engine may kick in now and then to reduce the load - and temperature - of the electric motor sitting in the front of the transmission.

Imagine that sort of a load on a 2.0 turbo and that sort of heat - 240 degrees, that oil has to be suffering.
That's not a Wrangler I'd want to buy used.




Apples and oranges. You have the drag of a Wrangler vs. the drag of a Grand Cherokee at highway speeds, cooling and other factors.
The Grand Cherokee with 3.6 has a tow rating of 6,200 pounds - more than some of the Gladiators! What's that tell you?
It's not all as simple as people seem to keep circling back to.
If a 2021 Grand Cherokee with 3.6 and 8 speed auto can tow more than a Gladiator with the 3.6 and 8 speed auto, there's far more to it than people here are grasping.
What? Of course the engine is running, but it gets hot. I didn't get reduced battery power but had to slow to keep the (gas) engine under 240.

The '24 Rubicon 4xe has the full float rear axle. https://s3.amazonaws.com/chryslermedia.iconicweb.com/mediasite/specs/2024_JP_Wrangler_4xe_SP.pdf

Notice where it says rear axle: Dana 44 hd full float (Rubicon 4xe).

Prior to '24 doesn't. The 392 and 4xe have reduced towing because they are cooling limited. It's a bummer because the 4xe drivetrain is excellent for towing, lots of low end torque. It works well and does not cut power. I think this is why the gladiator 4xe has been delayed for so long, they are trying to get the cooling to where it's not severely limited in towing. I don't have high hopes tbh.
 

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Apples and oranges. You have the drag of a Wrangler vs. the drag of a Grand Cherokee at highway speeds, cooling and other factors.
The Grand Cherokee with 3.6 has a tow rating of 6,200 pounds - more than some of the Gladiators! What's that tell you?
It's not all as simple as people seem to keep circling back to.
If a 2021 Grand Cherokee with 3.6 and 8 speed auto can tow more than a Gladiator with the 3.6 and 8 speed auto, there's far more to it than people here are grasping.
Yup, There are differences between the GC and the JT. The ones I mentioned plus the ones you mentioned, plus curb weight, unibody versus cab on chassis, braking capability and others. However, I still think the GC 4XE gives us the best clue. If we look at it a bit differently and compare the GC with a 3.6 pentastar and the GC 4Xe we see the 4Xe gives up a few hundred pounds of towing capacity. Therefore, the same JT 4Xe penalty compared to a JT 3.6L may be a few hundred pounds. Then a JTR 4XE towing could be 6500 to 6800lbs. And if they make a JT 4Xe Max Tow trim then maybe they could get towing both of 7000 lbs. I'm just pessimistic because I've lost faith in Stelantis management
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