Passenger side front, odd bracket on frame.

[Zachanadandy]

I don't think you know what the bracket is for. It's not for deflecting anything down...

Again, maybe leave the engineering to the engineers? You're making a lot of uninformed statements and then carrying on like they're fact. It's like an episode of Ancient Aliens....

Reading comprehension escapes you a lot? Stock height it will deflect the tire out, lifted it is now above the centerline of the tire and will deflect down. Not the designed intent, but definitely not helpful to prevent rollovers. You don't have to be an engineer to understand basic physics. Find a high school kid explain it as you clearly have trouble with written words.

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[sharpsicle]

Reading comprehension escapes you a lot? Stock height it will deflect the tire out, lifted it is now above the centerline of the tire and will deflect down. Not the designed intent, but definitely not helpful to prevent rollovers. You don't have to be an engineer to understand basic physics. Find a high school kid explain it as you clearly have trouble with written words.

Wow, yet again missing the point, and now on to insults! You're fantastic.

Jeep didn't build the bracket for lifted trucks. I thought that much would be obvious.

"Rational people contend that stock components were designed to operate in stock configurations. Could this mean modifications, such as suspension lifts, can't be used to evaluate the efficacy of stock designs? Could this also mean they don't invalidate the original designs? And if so, why would we keep talking about it?"

 

[AstroZombie]

Let's paint them all Orange for safety!

 

[Zachanadandy]

Wow, yet again missing the point, and now on to insults! You're fantastic.

Jeep didn't build the bracket for lifted trucks. I thought that much would be obvious.

"Rational people contend that stock components were designed to operate in stock configurations. Could this mean modifications, such as suspension lifts, can't be used to evaluate the efficacy of stock designs? Could this also mean they don't invalidate the original designs? And if so, why would we keep talking about it?"

Again, my initial post and every post since including spelling it out to YOU, stated that stock it serves a purpose (initial post, many since, and video proof that your driveshaft idea didn't work and it should be installed on both sides), lifted not only will it not work as designed but could actually increase the odds of a rollover. You're literally quoting my posts that clearly state that and then arguing exactly what I said like you're correcting me? You claimed I said it serves no purpose when I clearly said it serves no purpose on my LIFTED truck. You claimed the drivers side didn't need it because the collapsible driveshaft serves the purpose, logic and video proof shows otherwise. You want to leave the engineering to the engineers, which we all do stock. Once you start modifying your rig it's time to think for yourself. The lift itself increases the likelihood of a rollover, but decreases the odds of the tire pushing into the passenger compartment. The location of the bracket makes it useless for its intended purpose ONCE LIFTED. It very well could cause a rollover at that point. No that's not the intent, I never said it was. It's not engineered for a lifted vehicle. Nothing I've stated was opinion, implied the engineers were wrong, or that the bracket wouldn't help STOCK. You're the only one debating that with yourself.

 

[Hootbro]

Again, my initial post and every post since including spelling it out to YOU, stated that stock it serves a purpose (initial post, many since, and video proof that your driveshaft idea didn't work and it should be installed on both sides), lifted not only will it not work as designed but could actually increase the odds of a rollover. You're literally quoting my posts that clearly state that and then arguing exactly what I said like you're correcting me? You claimed I said it serves no purpose when I clearly said it serves no purpose on my LIFTED truck. You claimed the drivers side didn't need it because the collapsible driveshaft serves the purpose, logic and video proof shows otherwise. You want to leave the engineering to the engineers, which we all do stock. Once you start modifying your rig it's time to think for yourself. The lift itself increases the likelihood of a rollover, but decreases the odds of the tire pushing into the passenger compartment. The location of the bracket makes it useless for its intended purpose ONCE LIFTED. It very well could cause a rollover at that point. No that's not the intent, I never said it was. It's not engineered for a lifted vehicle. Nothing I've stated was opinion, implied the engineers were wrong, or that the bracket wouldn't help STOCK. You're the only one debating that with yourself.

So what about the 2" MOPAR lift kits marketed and sold for these vehicles? Are they now an increased liability for vehicles with this bracket?

 

[Zachanadandy]

So what about the 2" MOPAR lift kits marketed and sold for these vehicles? Are they now an increased liability for vehicles with this bracket?

No, as I said the lift already increases the odds of a rollover. It comes with the territory. The iihs isn't crash testing modified vehicles. The offset crash testing is misleading in real world accidents anyway. You're far more likely to hit another vehicle offset than a full height wall. Even stock most vehicles are much lower than the jeep. In that situation the entire vehicle goes under the jeep acting as a ramp and likely rolls the jeep. I don't think the bracket is deflecting a Honda civic but that is an opinion.

 

[Hootbro]

There is a lot of assumptions of unknowns here. Not saying they are invalid, just would help to have better examples of passenger side offset crash data and modeling to actually know and see how that bracket factors in.

 

[sharpsicle]

 

[Zachanadandy]

There is a lot of assumptions of unknowns here. Not saying their invalid, just would help to have better examples of passenger side offset crash data and modeling to actually know and see how that bracket factors in.

Watching the drivers side test and looking at the bracket, it looks like it would deflect the tire outwards. That should help with both the rollover and tire into foot well devastation. Once we get into modifying we are well outside the data anyway so for me it doesn't really matter. I can definitely say for certain regardless of mods we are better off hitting head on than offset.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Let's paint them all Orange for safety!

So the Mojave is the safest of all Jeeps?

So what about the 2" MOPAR lift kits marketed and sold for these vehicles? Are they now an increased liability for vehicles with this bracket?

If I am correct, and it seems, after thinking about it a while, that I've actually read or watched this somewhere, could be wrong, but anyway if it's there on the right side due to the huge difference an impact on the right side vs. left side would make, the risk of a wheel being busted loose, whatever - the FAD is the issue and reason for the right side. (you still have a lot more mass and stuff in the way on the left side, but consider the risks of a wheel being knocked loose and little else) - if you are impacted and that right wheel is knocked loose at the fad, the right front corner drops down. The wheel is no longer holding it up. Bust a fad and what's the first thing that happens?
Wheel goes UP, Jeep drops DOWN. Bracket works.

Interesting how non-engineers, those never involved in any real studies, not thinking past "it's got a lift and sits high" - not considering what can happen............. are making declarations of worth.
If Jeep got reports of what happened in certain scenarios and kicked it up to the engineers and the engineers said "we can mitigate this on 90% of all Jeep vehicles for $4.00/vehicle" - do we know this conversation never took place?
And face it, most Jeeps aren't lifted. i don't care what the hard core "I've got a 10" lift and run 50" tires" guys say - most don't lift and of those that do, the majority of those are likely 2" MOPAR lifts.
The internet makes it look like all Jeeps are lifted. Jeep is responsible for jeep vehicles as they are built and leave the factory. Not the tiny few with huge lifts (while in Florida the last couple of times, can't say we saw more than a couple lifted Jeeps out of the hundreds we saw down there)

So what's the big fuss about this bracket all about, anyway?

 

[AstroZombie]

@ShadowsPapa I means just the bracket should be orange or some other neon safety color. really help it feel safer.

 

[AstroZombie]

put one of these on it!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

 

[MPMB]

Interesting how non-engineers, those never involved in any real studies, not thinking past "it's got a lift and sits high" - not considering what can happen............. are making declarations of worth.

I just go with my observations of dozens of racing crashes and repairing a couple cars. Some weird s**t happens with speed and concrete. You watch those crashes and you see the fuel filler door opens and the plastic comes off.

I've seen a shock mount bend from a slight off-track excursion, but the car didn't bend anything when it jumped 30'+ at 100mph.

Way back when, Johnny Benson, Jr. crashed in a Cup car and his steering wheel was bent forward. No one knew how that happened until they figured out Johnny's head came forward and hit the steering wheel.

One piece or one bar can make a difference, and it definitely doesn't need to be symmetrical. Race cars have the Petty bar and Earnhardt bar for a reason.

 

[Rusty PW]

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