Possible Pricing Info Eco Diesel

[RedTRex]

New Article from Today and I certainly hope this is not true.....need more data points...If true....F That!

"As is the case with its competitors, the new Ram diesel engine is not cheap: a $4,995 stand-alone option, "

https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/2020-ram-1500-ecodiesel-v-6-arrives-fall-starting-36890

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[RedTRex]

That would make it a $7K upgrade (because we would have to pay the $2K for auto trans also)

 

[futzin']

Ok, Ford: Full size Bronco?

I swore I'd never buy a marginally powered vehicle again, but the 'Gladiator' is exactly that. It's fun and a great vehicle, but Jeep is opening the door for market loss, IMO. There's only so many Jeep purists.

Maybe Ram will bring out a convertible RamCharger.

Frustrated.

 

[Oilburner]

That would make it a $7K upgrade (because we would have to pay the $2K for auto trans also)

Man that would buy a LOT of gasoline

Colorado ZR2 is $3,500 upcharge (auto-to-auto)

 

[RedTRex]

I am not planning on buying until spring anyway, so there is time for this to get sorted out but man.... GMC AT4 all of a sudden looks good. or save a little longer, sell my C5, and get a C8, buy a GC beater, or a ratty YJ.....

 

[biodiesel]

The Ecodiesel in the Ram is $4,995 over the 3.6L pentastar and $3,300 over the 5.7L Hemi eTorque. I'm in!

 

[biodiesel]

That would make it a $7K upgrade (because we would have to pay the $2K for auto trans also)

I bet the Ecodiesel will not be a $7K upgrade. I'm guessing it will be right around $5K.

 

[bgenlvtex]

I have speculated from the start that it would be a $4-5k option.

I will also speculate that will get you the 870RE along with it.

FCA doesn't give a shit what GM is doing with the Canyon/Colorado nor do they care about the Vapor Bronco.

I guarantee you they have done their own focus tested market research and know at which point exactly the buyers they care about will fall off due to price.

I'll also not be surprised to find that the diesel will only be available in the upper trim levels.

 

[RedTRex]

I will also speculate that will get you the 870RE along with it.

If they do that, which would not be normal for Jeep, that would make it more palatable.

 

[bgenlvtex]

If they do that, which would not be normal for Jeep, that would make it more palatable.

They're not going to add an additional upcharge for the automatic when it is the only transmission available.

 

[RedTRex]

They're not going to add an additional upcharge for the automatic when it is the only transmission available.

That would be the logical thought but we are talking greedy Jeep here.... anyway, we have several months for the true reveal

BTW I'm pretty sure we should get the 8HP70

 

[bgenlvtex]

That would be the logical thought but we are talking greedy Jeep here.... anyway, we have several months for the true reveal

BTW I'm pretty sure we should get the 8HP70

RE870 is FCA nomenclature for a ZF 8HP70 that FCA builds under license, yes.

 

[RedTRex]

RE870 is FCA nomenclature for a ZF 8HP70 that FCA builds under license, yes.

Awesome - learned something new today

 

[Sorbs]

https://www.allpar.com/news/2019/08...am-1500-diesel-cost-we-have-the-numbers-45473
Ram EcoDiesel will be a $4,995 option—costing $3,000 more than the Hemi V8 with eTorque ($3,300 more on the Tradesman, Big Horn, Lone Star, Rebel, and Laramie base models). This will be the first time Rebel buyers can get the diesel.

The cheapest 2020 Ram 1500 diesel will start at $36,890 plus $1,695 destination (Tradesman Quad Cab, rear wheel drive).

 

[WXman]

According to the U.S. EIA, the avg. national price for 87 octane pump gas is 2.62 and diesel is 3.01 as of today. That's a $0.39 price difference per gallon.

Using numbers from a current EcoDiesel Ram vs. Pentastar Gladiator, there is a 3 MPG difference between the gas and diesel (taken from fueleconomy.gov) and that "combined" figure on the window sticker most closely matches what the average U.S. driver will see.

Let's do basic math:

15,000 miles per year/22 MPG = 682 gallons of diesel @ 3.01/gallon = $2,053 annually

15,000 miles per year/19 MPG = 789 gallons of gasoline @ 2.62/gallon = $2,067 annually

EcoDiesel is +$14 annually at this point

Then:

EcoDiesel oil change = 2 jugs @ $20/ea = $40 + Mopar fuel and oil filter = $95 x twice annually = $270

Pentastar oil change = 1 jug @ $20 = $20 + Mopar oil filter @ $10 = $30 x twice annually = $60

EcoDiesel is now -$196 per year

Then:

Upfront cost of EcoDiesel $5,000 / 7 years (average ownership length of a new car in the U.S.) = $714 annually

EcoDiesel is now -$910 annually

So, you end up paying nearly a grand yearly to drive the EcoDiesel over the Pentastar, which doesn't seem as bad as I expected. But, you certainly will not ever save money with the EcoDiesel. It's an expense, not a savings to go diesel.

The wildcard we haven't mentioned here is average cost of repairs. A lot of owners of diesels with the Bosch CP4 injection pumps have said that when theirs failed, the automaker denied warranty coverage and claimed "bad fuel" as a way to get out of paying for it. The $8,000 to $12,000 tab was then picked up by the insurance company in some cases, which surely would lead to a "hit" on your policy and a subsequent increase in rates. There are a lot of things like injection pumps, injectors, emissions controls, etc. on the diesel that simply cost more over time.

I personally believe this is why GM is coming out swinging by setting the price for their light duty diesel in the Silverado at such a small upcharge. The lower the upfront cost, the more justification you can make for going with the diesel.

I think FCA should set the Gladiator EcoDiesel pricing at $2,500 upcharge maximum in order to sell them in high numbers. The problem is that Gladiator is already overpriced in general, so adding large increases for the diesel option will certainly make it out of range for most buyers.

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