Slight pull to the right...can't figure it out.

[Montana_Wildcat]

Just picked up my 21 Mojave this weekend. Drove 400 miles home and was extremely annoyed about the pull to the right. Steering wheel is also off about 2 degrees to the left when "straight." I was hoping that it was just an alignment issue, but it seems like that's not the case. Guess I will have to go to the closest dealer and have them look at it. Kind of disappointed that it's like this right out of the box; I never once had to get an alignment on the Nissan Titan I traded in through 90k miles. My question is: Is there a TSB out for the 21's? The one listed earlier is for the 20's.

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[93civej1]

Just picked up my 21 Mojave this weekend. Drove 400 miles home and was extremely annoyed about the pull to the right. Steering wheel is also off about 2 degrees to the left when "straight." I was hoping that it was just an alignment issue, but it seems like that's not the case. Guess I will have to go to the closest dealer and have them look at it. Kind of disappointed that it's like this right out of the box; I never once had to get an alignment on the Nissan Titan I traded in through 90k miles. My question is: Is there a TSB out for the 21's? The one listed earlier is for the 20's.

Good luck. 2 steering boxes and mine still has a slight right pull. Its not terrible, and I have learned to deal, but still a small nag with mine.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Are your roads CROWNED? These seem to be aligned mostly for flat highways, not county roads or blacktops or crowned city streets.
As far as alignment, all they can do is set toe and center the steering wheel. Do make sure the wheel is centered. You can do it - but the dealership/Jeep owes you............
They can't set caster split, only caster and only with different control arms. It's welded in.
They can't set camber without parts swapping as camber is set when the axle is welded together.

Make sure front tire pressure is EVEN, you can try swapping front tires left to right, right to left, as SOMETIMES tires can "lead" a bit.

But my experience with these is they are set for flat roads, no road crown, or little road crown. If I go onto one of our newer highways here with almost no crown. I have a very slight lead to the right in the right lane. If I move to the left lane, it's a very slight lead to the left. If in the middle - it's pretty much no lead either way.
Wind is huge on these things - any wind at all and it will make a big difference. I noticed if the wind is coming from my right side, there's no pull or lead to the right - it's pretty true.
The roads around me are older and crowned a lot for drainage as we sometimes get some hefty rains, multiple inches/hour, so they crown the roads. Also helps in the winter as the snow and ice melts off - instead of staying on the road and re-freezing 2 hours later, the water has drained off quickly due to the high crown so there's not as much trouble with ice in the evening on the crowned roads.

 

[Montana_Wildcat]

Are your roads CROWNED? These seem to be aligned mostly for flat highways, not county roads or blacktops or crowned city streets.
As far as alignment, all they can do is set toe and center the steering wheel. Do make sure the wheel is centered. You can do it - but the dealership/Jeep owes you............
They can't set caster split, only caster and only with different control arms. It's welded in.
They can't set camber without parts swapping as camber is set when the axle is welded together.

Make sure front tire pressure is EVEN, you can try swapping front tires left to right, right to left, as SOMETIMES tires can "lead" a bit.

But my experience with these is they are set for flat roads, no road crown, or little road crown. If I go onto one of our newer highways here with almost no crown. I have a very slight lead to the right in the right lane. If I move to the left lane, it's a very slight lead to the left. If in the middle - it's pretty much no lead either way.
Wind is huge on these things - any wind at all and it will make a big difference. I noticed if the wind is coming from my right side, there's no pull or lead to the right - it's pretty true.
The roads around me are older and crowned a lot for drainage as we sometimes get some hefty rains, multiple inches/hour, so they crown the roads. Also helps in the winter as the snow and ice melts off - instead of staying on the road and re-freezing 2 hours later, the water has drained off quickly due to the high crown so there's not as much trouble with ice in the evening on the crowned roads.

I have found this to be true with other vehicles, too. I think the Gladiator may be just super sensitive to road angle. Driving in wind definitely sucks!

Anyway, my question to the group is... After what build date were the steel steering boxes put in as stock on the Mojaves? I would like to know if mine already has the new box. I'm probably going to get the through-rod stabilizer and see how it changes the feel.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have found this to be true with other vehicles, too. I think the Gladiator may be just super sensitive to road angle. Driving in wind definitely sucks!

Anyway, my question to the group is... After what build date were the steel steering boxes put in as stock on the Mojaves? I would like to know if mine already has the new box. I'm probably going to get the through-rod stabilizer and see how it changes the feel.

2021s should have it - here's the number you should see on your steering gear -

68507576AA (or AB now)

 

[Montana_Wildcat]

2021s should have it - here's the number you should see on your steering gear -

68507576AA (or AB now)

Thanks for the info! Mine's a July 21 build, but I'll double check it today.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for the info! Mine's a July 21 build, but I'll double check it today.

The goofy thing is that some of us had ours replaced - and I assume the others got the AA version, I got the AA version, and it was fine for a while, well, better, anyway. Then over a few months' time, it got worse - in fact worse than my original. I took it to my dealer, asked them to check alignment per the latest TSM and check for loose stuff. I simply told them it wandered worse than before.
They are the ones that told me they needed to replace the steering gear. This time I got the AB revision. And it's been fine.
The problem I see with that is that the NEW JTs being built got the new steering gear, like they first put on mine under the original TSB - but if mine, and a few others had problems with that one, why can't the 2021 models using the same steering gear I had a problem with also have a problem?
I mean - they put the same steering gear they were using in production for 2021 models on my truck to fix it - it was bad or went bad - can't - production 2021 models with that same part I got also have steering gear issues?
I wish JeepCares and the star team could look at my logic and think about it a bit and work with one or two dealer shops to see if I'm correct.

There are times I almost wish I could apply for a job with their STAR people doing QA. It's what I did off and on for years anyway.

 

[SF_E60]

Same here. I had the same issue on my '18 JLUR when I upgraded to 37's. My JTR now does it since I upgraded to 37's on it as well. Had the Mopar lift and Fox steering stabilizer on both Jeeps. Alignment is spot on on both. I've been told by alignment techs and tire shops that it's most likely the more aggressive tread on the M/T tires causing the pull. I ran the Toyos on my JLUR at 32 PSI, and I'm at 34 on the BFG's on the JTR. Still dialing in the right air pressure on the JTR to find the "sweet spot" with the BFG's. First time I run this brand in a LONG time.

So for me this all started right after my last trip out on the trail. It pulls slightly to the right. Prior to my trip it never did this before. I'm running 37's Toyo M/T's, 2.5 mopar lift, Fox steering stabilizer. At first I thought maybe I messed up the alignment. So I went to my local alignment shop which did my initial alignment and all the numbers came back spot on. Shop said nothing's wrong with your alignment. They mentioned the same thing they told you and said it's probably the tires causing the slight pull to the right. . I checked all my marked bolts to make sure none of them backed out. I'm probably going to take it to the dealership next week to see if it can be steering box related.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Steering box shouldn’t cause a pull right. It’ll create a wander situation tho.

I had a pull right issue. Turned out my toe was off from the factory. Once changed in ever had the problem again.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Steering box shouldn’t cause a pull right. It’ll create a wander situation tho.

I had a pull right issue. Turned out my toe was off from the factory. Once changed in ever had the problem again.

Actually the steering tsb talks about a pull or leading condition. It would be caused by a valving issue imo.
Wander, pull, looseness are mentioned if i recall.
No access to my tsb collection. Limited internet on phone in Bethlehem, Israel where it's about 4pm.

 

[Tim]

Steering box shouldn’t cause a pull right. It’ll create a wander situation tho.

I had a pull right issue. Turned out my toe was off from the factory. Once changed in ever had the problem again.

How did you set toe to correct the issue? I've seen recommendations ranging from 1/8" toe in to no toe to 1/16th toe out.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Actually the steering tsb talks about a pull or leading condition. It would be caused by a valving issue imo.
Wander, pull, looseness are mentioned if i recall.
No access to my tsb collection. Limited internet on phone in Bethlehem, Israel where it's about 4pm.

It does say that...thats more of a steering box with play settling to the right or left with the play. My discussion is purely talking about a pull that will pull only one direction, regardless of road crown. I should be more clear.

 

[BLK HOLE]

How did you set toe to correct the issue? I've seen recommendations ranging from 1/8" toe in to no toe to 1/16th toe out.

 

[TrailHiker]

I had the dealer take care of my Gladiator ’s toe in when the stearing box was rep,aced under the recall advisory earlier this year, they sent it to a front end specialist shop to have the front end alignment done. Solved my pull to the right issue.
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[dcmdon]

I was thinking about crown also.
the test is easy. Go on the highway and get in the left lane with the road crowned to the left. Does it now pull to the left?

If yes, then there is nothing wrong. If it still pulls to the right, well then you have some kind of problem.

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