VenomRex wheels - New off road Flow-Forged technology

  1. VenomRex

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    VenomRex is proud to be the latest sponsor of the Jeep Gladiator Forums and we have some awesome new products we have introduced for the off road community!

    For years, the off road wheel industry has been 20 years behind in design, engineering, and technology when compared to the motorsport aftermarket industry, but we are here to change that! As the oem's like Jeep are now releasing their latest vehicle models with modern designs, high end build materials, and packed full of the latest technology, we felt that the off road industry really needed a wheel brand that fit these latest off road Jeeps and trucks. Vorsteiner, VenomRex's parent company, is a family owned business and has been around for nearly 20 years as a very successful carbon composite and wheel brand. So naturally, building high quality, strong, and light weight products comes naturally for us.

    Jon Sackett run's our VenomRex brand and some of you may know him from the instagram @bearded.wrangler . Jon has been a Jeep owner since 16 years old and has had every iteration of the wrangler from the early YJ to the current JL and soon JT. Jon has a life long experience and passion in Jeep's and off roading and is the perfect fit to spearhead the path, designs, and marketing of our new wheel brand.

    Currently, we offer for Jeep's our VR-501 wheel design in both 17'' and 20'' in the perfect hubcentric fitment for your JL or JT (or even older JK!) We also have two more wheel series underdevelopment for early 2020 including multiple new true bead lock and simulated bead lock designs.

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    So what makes our wheels different?

    Well to start off, the designs. Instead of most wheels on the market, which are just a circular disc with some basic geometric shapes stamped out of them, we spend a lot of time creatively and passionately designing our wheels adding lots of depth and style to every inch of our designs. Jeep did the same thing when designing the new JL and Gladiator, so we saw it fitting that customers had the option to not just through a circular chunk of metal on these new Jeeps, but put pieces of art that compliment the overall aesthetic.

    Next comes the technology. Every single other off road wheel on the market (besides some fully forged offerings) are manufactured via casting. The casting manufacturing process is the cheapest, heaviest, and lowest quality manufacturing process on the planet for making wheels. In the motorsport market, cast wheels are only sold and used generally on those civic rice buckets you can get from your local used car lot for a couple thousand bucks. Casting is done by liquidating an aluminum alloy, pouring it into a mold of the wheel design, and their you have your wheel! The melting down of the aluminum alloy and pouring it into a mold, breaks apart the chemical molecular bond of the alloy and makes it weaker. To compensate for the weakened material, generally wheel manufactures have to increase the thickness of the wheel in order to make sure it will not break while your cruising down your favorite trail. The other manufacturing process out there in the off road industry is Forged. Now for a second, recall that documentary you watched on the history channel late at night years ago, about Japanese samurai warriors and how the legendary samurai swords were made back in the day. They would use the highest grade alloys, and take a large chunk of it and heat it up, but not to the point where it liquidated, but just glowing red hot enough where they could start hammering it, and folding it over itself, and continue this process until they forged it into the shape of a blade. This forging process was how these swords were so strong and would virtually never break. Well a forged wheel, starts as essentially a solid block of that high quality, raw alloy material. Then, a very large and expensive CNC machine cuts the design from that solid block, and walla, your forged wheel. Due to the cost of these machines, and the time it takes to cut just one wheel, this is generally why forged wheels will set you back at least $4,000 for a set of 4.

    Now, comes in our flow forged technology. First, we create a mold of just the face of the wheel, we then liquidate the aluminum alloy and pour it into that casting and let it cool. This cast has excess material just around the outer back lip of the face. Next, we heat that excess material, not too the point of it liquidating, but till its glowing hot and mandible just like those ancient samurai swords, and a set of pressurized rollers, forges the material down into the shape of the barrel, consistently pulling the material over its self, just like the ancient black smiths would fold the material into itself. Now, we have re forged the entire barrel of the wheel, allowing it to be significantly thinner and lighter, but way stronger.

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    So, what does all this mean for you? It means you can purchase a slick looking wheel for your Gladiator that in 17x9 sizing only weighs 24 lbs per wheel. Most other wheels on the market weigh well over 30 lbs and sometimes over 40 lbs per wheel. So you are looking at an average 10lb saving per wheel versus other competitors.

    "but VenomRex, why should I care about 10lbs? I am adding heavy roof top tents, steel bumpers and skid plates, lighting, lots of weight"

    Well yes, 10lbs to us truck guys might not seem like a whole lot of savings, except for the fact that since the wheel is the only part on your vehicle that actually moves while you are traveling cross country, or wheeling down your favorite trail, you have to factor in what's called "rotational mass". Since your truck takes effort to move and spin the wheel, lightening up your wheels provides roughly a 3x factor due to the rotation of the wheels and kinetic energy involved. So, that 10 lb weight saving, is actually a 30lb weight saving, per corner of your truck, so at least 120lbs over all. Have you ever added a steel front and rear bumper and a winch, and watched your MPG's drop a few notches? Well imagine if you could add those parts, but gain those mpgs back with just switching out to a better looking, light weight wheel?! Not only will you expereince better MPGS, but since you are saving on average that 30lbs per wheel in rotational mass, you will notice that your acceleration has improved, since your truck needs less effort to spin up those wheels. Braking? Yea you will put significantly less stress on your brakes since you will need less energy to slow down the mass of the lighter rotating wheel.

    Well that's our shpeel. If you have any other questions about our product, please send us a DM and Jon will be glad to help you out. We will be offering lots of great incentives and giveaways for the Gladiator forum members, and will be out at events across the country and hosting trail runs for our customers. We now leave you with some cool wallpapers for you to enjoy!

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    Those bronze wheels would look sick on a Sting Gray JT! :rock:

    Looking forward to seeing your new line of wheels as they become available.
     
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    What size tires on the orange JT in the pics?

    Also, wheel size. Width and offset.
     
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    How do we find out forum member discounts for these new wheels for our trucks ?
     
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    looking nice
     
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    great look!
     
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    PLEASE consider making us a wheel with a higher offset than what’s currently offered. Something around +25 or +30! AEV is the only ones doing this and I think another option would be great. The wide track axles on our trucks push all these current wheels too far out of our fenders.
     
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    Exactly what he said. Custom offset that fits the JL/JT perfectly would be welcomed. AEV is the only one.
     
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    They look good, but I found several 23.-25 pound aluminum wheels on the market and purchase a very classic style Pro-Comp wheel for my JT that were 23 lbs each. So besides weight savings which you have not cornered the market on, how much stronger is your wheel than a traditional cast aluminum wheel and how are you priced? If you come in at $300-$400 a wheel, am I really getting that much compared to a $120 cast wheel?
     
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    The tires in the photos are 285/70/17. I personally run 37/12.5/17 Toyo Tires Open Country M/T with a 3'' Synergy lift and they are an awesome fitment.

    Our wheels come in either 17'' or 20''

    17'' are 17x9 et-6 (4.75'' backspacing)

    20'' are 20x9 et0 (5'' backspacing)
     
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    Send me a DM ;)
     
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    Unfortunately this most likely won't happen. The reason AEV is the only one doing it is because they work with OEM a lot and keep things within conservative OEM specs. Problem is when you really want to use the truck for offroading, and perform better than stock, and increase the tire size to do that, then you run into issues with rubbing the frame and suspension. This is why everyone else use more aggressive offsets than OEM because 90% of customers are looking to modify their Jeep more aggressively and to perform better.

    However, our wheel fitment actually does sit within the fender wells. The poke you potentially get is not from the wheel, but from the exact tire size and model you choose. so if you want to go with a conservative look, and not have any poke, you can still run our wheels, but just use a smaller tire thats not as wide and you will be all good!
     
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    It looks like the wheel/tire is sticking out more than a little bit on your orange Gladiator. It will stick out even more than that on a Rubicon or Max Tow too, due to the wider axles. Almost everyone is running a 35 or 37 and that is not coming in under 12.5” wide so the option to go skinnier isn’t there. +25mm offset is more than enough clearance to fully flex disconnected off-road.
     
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    If being able to run 40s is your version of conservative OEM specs...OK. I think the real fact is like all other wheel manufactures you made a generic wheel to fit many different applications. And honestly, who could blame you? One wheel many uses. One reason AEV wheels are so expensive is that they are made for one vehicle because of that custom off-set.

    +25mm is perfect fitment for 37x12.5s tires on a JT with no rubbing. The +25 will even fit 40s. I think we can agree that a logical next step is larger axles and that means a different wheel bolt pattern (most likely). So to say that that +25 offset isn't for off-roaders is an excuse. I think we'd all rather a company come in here and just be honest. Not making them, too expensive.

    However your wheels seem to compete with everyone else's wheels, but so far your claim they are stronger. Which is awesome if true. I think everyone here is all ears about and welcome new products for sure!

    Please understand I'm not criticizing your wheels. They look great and possibly are much stronger than other options. It's also you are just making them in the same off-set most other companies are. That's fine. Thanks for joining and I look forward to seeing those on some rigs on this forum. I'm sure many will love them!

    Also would love more information/videos/etc about the manufacturing process. Would be awesome to see.

    P.S. Full disclaimer - I'm also biased towards the +25 offset. I live in a state (PA) that requires the tread to fit under the flares or you will not pass inspection or possibly get pulled over. So if I want to run larger tires, I HAVE to have a proper off-set wheel. Was just hoping for more options in this arena.
     
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    I totally understand. And we are not trying to be dishonest. I personally have owned 5 Jeeps since I was 16, a TJ, two JK's, and currently a YJ and JL Rubicon. I also understand the problems due to the laws in PA being restrictive. I am originally from Chicago and adjusting to all of California's laws and regulations has been quite frustrating. I have personally found though that modifying a Jeep / Truck goes un-noticed by southern california police and they are only focused on violations by sports cars which has been nice.

    Maybe in the future as we grow we can offer higher offsets for you guys in PA to help support. Anything I can do to help support my fellow Jeep community and everyones input here is greatly appreciated and will be taken into consideration.

    I am currently working on some bead lock designs for ya'll and would love everyones input on what you would like to see.

    Here's my JL :)

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