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I was just about to post the same thing. I think they'd see a lot of current owners upgrading and they would bring in a TONNNN of new buyers. I plan to buy the 3.6 unless they do something crazy with the diesel cooling but I'd jump on a 5.7 in a heartbeat. This will be my first Jeep.

this is genius, holy cow.

a V8 option with the same 7650 towing capability as a max tow sport s would sell me in seconds but I think that is dream scenario.

Yeah, I think you'd have to order a 2021 about now to have a chance at this. I'd guess 2022 order opens mid to late September, production doesn't start until mid to late October (probably aggressive), and then you are 8+ weeks out from delivery.

I’m holding off for a MY2022 and really like Sting Gray so hope it stays, Gobi returns, Anvil, or a similar green. Love the clear coat colors.

Gupton got back to me on Durango pricing we're working on and he indicated that to the best of his knowledge, 2022 orders should open next month. Those were the last details he had heard.

What wheels are these? Remind me a lot of steelies but better.

One thing to consider is the Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR). I think it's 12,800 lbs. on Sport S w/ Max Tow. This is the max capable weight of the vehicle + trailer. My understanding of GCWR, is that you subtract the curb weight (~4,672 lbs.) and have 8,128lbs. to play with. This means...

I would be going with a Sport S and I don't think any of those apply to a Sport S w/ leather.

I’ve been in discussion with Gupton since 7/5 and they were able to price out a Sport S w/ Max Tow for me.

Are yours customized to your choosing?

I see a "MOPAR STITCHED LEATHER UPGRADE-BLACK 1,576 1,750 CBS" on the build guides but nothing calls out Katzkin. I'm guessing dealer modification after delivery for Katzkin.

Does anyone know if there is a code to get Katzkin Tuscany Premium leather with the factory order or is it something I have to work out with a dealer or local installer after delivery?

Anyone have experience or knowledge of ordering the next model year with group discount when the factory order system changes over? If I wait out a MY2022 order, do we think the group discount carries over immediately or potentially have to wait out re-negotiating group discounts between Gupton...

The forum has a post in this topic about the tread lightly program. You can also find quite a few threads here about dealers around the country who sell at 6-8% below invoice. I don’t think the 6% discount applies to leases

I’ve been going back and forth with Gupton since 7/5. I think they are crazy busy so it’s slow going. May just wait out 2022

I have mixed emotions after today. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Sport S w/ Max Tow @ Gupton but someone pointed out the guide doesn't show Max Tow available on Sport S anymore. If it's only available on Sport, I cannot bring myself to step down to the Sport model in 2021 and will have to...

Actually, I didn't even realize most leather interiors with stitching don't have stitching on the second row. Just looked at my Ridgeline Black Edition and it's only front seats. Looked at some photos of leather interior Jeeps and it's also only the front seats. I'm less irked by this because...

I haven't seen anything running. I'm watching all platforms so I'll post if I find something

Thanks for sharing your experience! Wish they would have made it right for you. This would irk me a little too much. I was going to see if I could have Katzkin swapped immediately after build and before delivery but things like this push me away a little. This is their fault in my opinion.