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This never ending argument is just a continuation of a proper philosophical argument. "When is a car a car? Is it a car if it's missing it's doors? What if I keep taking parts off the car, when does it stop being a car? If I just have an engine, that's obviously not a car." Don't...

It's both. I'm going through the same thing as a 3D artist. I don't want one of the highest end video cards, I need 4 of them to run a business but it also happens to be how crypto currency mining is done so I can't find a single one anywhere approaching MSRP because now kids are running around...

I definitely have not ignored your main point. I'm telling you "I hear what you're saying, I do the math on the fuel, it's fine you don't" but you're still saying maintence is a lot of money and still haven't given me even a ballpark dollar amount of yearly costs sans repair. I think you're the...

This isn't really anything new, the invention of widespread urea filters was the end of diesel being a known and economical commodity. Fact of the matter is diesel exhaust is toxic to human health. I have a family full of FDNY vets and some are apart of the many of that generation who are dying...

Good insight. I haven't owned a proper off-road vehicle or truck in over a decade so I'm super unplugged from new-fangled diesel. To me there are magic parts everywhere that screw things up and this thread just plays into that fear.

Is that true though? Here's my fear: 1) Diesel not on Mojave 2) V8 outshines diesel for all but the very few, making Jeep drop it in a few years 3) Very small overall diesel market, very little aftermarket attention 4) Tiny things like this thread always being a problem

Disappointment is different than regret. If you had to go back to signing on the dotted line would you still go diesel in light of your part problems?

A little advice for those of you whom have cars they want to trade in. If you can sell your car privately now and bank it, I would definitely do that. I'm even considering private selling my wife's Escape whose lease is up in September, I can get like $3-4k over what I owe on the note! Insane...

I don't want to derail this thread but overall is this a common occurrence with you diesel guys? Wanting to mod something and finding out the gas burner parts won't work? I'm kind of walking into a purchase guessing that this won't be much of an issue in the long term but definitely looking for...

I go cow hunting all of the time, pisses off the ranchers though.

But you haven't answered my question, because clearly I'm also doing the calculation on cost of ownership. For whatever reason, I don't need the new hotness and hold on to trucks and cars for a very long time so I do my math on a minimum 10-year basis. If I go to the low-end of my potential...

I mean, how bad is it? Is this it bad enough to offset: Average cost of diesel: $3.16 Average cost of regular: $3.03 100,000 miles / ~17 estimated mpg per tank on gas = 5,882.3 gallons x $3.03 = $17,646.90 100,000 miles / ~24 estimated mpg per tank on diesel = 4,166 gallons x $3.16 =...

I'm in a similar position you are, for my personal taste I think I'm going to go with the diesel. I keep cars for a long time and when you do the math on 10 years it does in fact pay for itself. I'm selling a 2008 GTI I bought new and this is a vehicle I actually plan on cherishing for a long...

For you it probably comes down to whether or not you'd use it in an off-road capacity. For on-road if you don't experience snow, just enjoy the cheaper vehicle. I feel like there has to be a certain amount of accidents out there that happen just because people have fancy traction setups and...

This is funny because it reminds me of when I first started buying new cars. First new car was a GTI and I used to get all worked up about extra mileage and the mpg computer reading like 12. Age and experience has taught me they moved around GTIs and .:R32s all day long and my slightly upgraded...

Frankly the annoying thing for me is that this impacts the availability of after market parts. I'm totally down for spending additional money for the engine I like better but there are very clearly less things available for a diesel rig. Not having it on the Mojave only serves to make that...

But this is what I'm talking about, forget for a second the woody bumpers and junk, I don't think that's an '80s style anyways and that's what I would personally be going for. The tubes, without a doubt, are obviously 80s-friendly but the angles of said tubes, are not. Also the LED strip...

If I were to go through the process of making really cool looking wooden bed rails I'd probably either go with some kind of retro roto or hide them. I don't know, I really want to go nostalgic when I pick up my JT but it both lends itself to it and doesn't. The aftermarket parts want to go...

It's a well known fact that putting a screaming bird on your hood turns your Pentastar into an LS1

As someone who worshiped the Trans Am growing up what in God's blue earth am I looking at right now? Why would a Jeep person want a screaming bird across their hood unless they were sporting some huge 5.7 L V8 engine swap? I feel like that's the only possible acceptable scenario.