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  1. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Just my wife and I, one cooler, two back packs. Actual weight of the equipment. My point still is, I don't buy for a second the only factor from the manual tow rating to the auto tow rating is the trans. Its the same 3.6 allegedly, UNLESS, they use a totally different tune. There's no way that...
  2. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Guys, knock it off, crap like this makes actually getting to the bottom of things annoying.
  3. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Aftermarket clutch already in. Far superior to the stock setup.
  4. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Thats what I am thinking too. If its only letting 70% throttle that would explain alot.
  5. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Ok, lets try to stay on topic. I'm not trying to switch to an automatic, or electric, or diesel. My hunch is, and no one has had a satisfactory answer yet, that the throttle body is not even opening 100%. Given that there is zero, audible change in intake noise, exhaust note, or rpm change...
  6. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Also these pictures were unloaded, no trailor "normal driving" on flat ground.
  7. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Could it be its de rated as it's a manual? Rpm is rpm with the 5.13's it cruises fibe at 60mph in 6th when just running around. I'm still baffled that there is not response from 1/2 pedal to wot under load, I have never experienced that before.
  8. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Here is the real world 6th vs 4th on flat ground cruise was set for each. So the majority of my trailor pulling was in 4th at 3100-3200 rpm. I agree that is to the low side of optimum for power band, but it didn't make any notable difference if I ran it in 3rd at 65mph. I'm just summarizing she...
  9. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    You got me questioning myself now :). It was a long 8hrs haha. I dont think its that low at 70mph, but now I'm going to look lol. That looks like a solid calculator too.
  10. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    My point remains, I could not down shift enough to maintain speed on a grade. regardless of rpm.
  11. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    I will verify tonight with pictures and post them tomorrow. The actual height of the "37's" if I remeber correctly is 36.2' when I measured. yes 5.13's If the clutch were slipping, it would have gave up the ghost on a 8hr trip. I never once smelled anything. I assume the calculator your posting...
  12. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Your correct, I meant 3100rpm, not 3900. 4rth at 60 is 3100ish, I did run 3rd way deep several times to no avail. Power is flat from 3200 to 5500 rpm
  13. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    Yes the tire size in correct in the jeep. set with the taser, speed was verified with the gps vs the speedometer. the only time I saw 80 mph was downhill lol. The speed linit here is 75 in most places, so at 65 your get passed like your standing still. in 6th with no load the truck sits right...
  14. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    We have 24k on the truck, its been re geard since around 5k miles.
  15. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    The sxs is because I'd rather beat that through fire roads than the jeep. I agree some on the rolling resistance. I need to plug my scanner in and verify im actually getting 100% throttle at WOT. I really suspect I'm not, just based off how the truck reacts. As far as the wind goes, I still...
  16. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    We will see if its the weight or the air. I have a suspicion that the truck will still struggle with my flat car hauler and the sxs. I will report back.
  17. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    I'm pretty sure its just not going to do it. Not really a lugging thing. It is just unacceptable that mopar rated it at 4k lbs. Its not like I'm asking it to pull 8k lbs. 5k rpm in 3rd should be max output, and it doesnt cut the mustard. One odd thing I noticed is every vehicle I'v driven...
  18. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    That is hard to believe seeing as its the same 3.6!! The manual trans in theory should be better as the parasitic loss is less. I would think the auto 8 speed has a little advantage in gearing selection ( I wish I had a ratio between 3rd and 4th) But I'm still stuck on I couldn't make any...
  19. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    For sure, I would assume that because the truck is covering 75% of the front of the trailor that the sq footage would be negligent. I really think the 3.6 just doesnt have the sauce to haul it. Thats based off running it in 3rd at 5k rpm and still loosing speed. Not the end of the world, but...
  20. First real tow with the manual.....not good

    For you auto guys, What rpm do you notice when pulling a hill? I have had wind issues with other setups, it doesn't buck wind, or feel like wind resistance. Contemplating the sq footage of the front, I would submit that the frontage is actually reduced by the truck being lifted. I just have a...


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