Dudes... Publish your spring specs.

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

It helps us consumers tremendously.

And let's face it: you're not giving up the recipe to coca cola or KFC chicken, either.

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[Free2roam]

Same goes for AEV seriously!

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

There's only a couple reasons why Evo will not publish their spring rates when they are easily attained with a not very sophisticated but specialized measuring device:

1. Inconsistency in manufacture.
Once you publish what your product actually does, there is an expectancy and an obligation to be consistent.

2. General disrespect and contempt for the industry and their customer base.

"You don't need to know how our product performs. We're Evo and we know better than you."

 

[Dickster]

Well it's no secret but there is only a couple manufacturers of springs themselves. They make them for a lot of companies and get re branded. They do make them to different spec sometimes but most time there is not much difference brand to brand.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Well it's no secret but there is only a couple manufacturers of springs themselves. They make them for a lot of companies and get re branded. They do make them to different spec sometimes but most time there is not much difference brand to brand.

Are you in the industry?

Because it's not uncommon in manufacturing where a company requests widgets from a general widget manufacturer with many different individual specs unique to that company, and have an agreement with the MFR to only produce widgets with those specs for them.

And whether or not there's much difference one from the other, is largely irrelevant to being transparent concerning your branded products' performance.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

You'd be able to tell that less expensive springs are essentially, if not exactly, the same thing.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

You'd be able to tell that less expensive springs are essentially, if not exactly, the same thing.

You know how else you can tell without having to buy and install brand A, B, C, D...?

Reading the published specs.

 

[Dickster]

Are you in the industry?
Because it's not uncommon in manufacturing where a company requests widgets from a general widget manufacturer with many different individual specs unique to that company, and have an agreement with the MFR to only produce widgets with those specs for them.

Not in the industry of springs but know a bit of US manufacturing. Depending on the size of the company and order size, most will change how they make stuff. Spring rate will be based on grade of materials and how tight the coils are spun together. The most valuable will be materials. Thuren and carli will state on the their websites who company is making the springs. They are spec to their design and requests. Somethings will not be custom made but springs are a completely different industry and does not take much to change the rate.

 

[Dickster]

Dewalt at one time changed a bunch of parts internally from metal to plastic. This was a request from Homedepot to get a cheaper price to sell more than any competitors.

 

[sharpsicle]

Do they straight-up refuse to tell you if you ask them? Or are we just complaining about nothing?

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Do they straight-up refuse to tell you if you ask them? Or are we just complaining about nothing?

Or are we just passive-aggressive trolling this morning?

 

[Dickster]

Or are we just passive-aggressive trolling this morning?

Complain about a brand of springs and complain when people give you info. Then complain more when someone points out something that strikes a nerve, sounds like you need to drink a beer and rub one out.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

You know how else you can tell without having to buy and install brand A, B, C, D...?

Reading the published specs.

Why would a company that could sell at a premium advertise that their springs are the same or very similar to less expensive ones?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well it's no secret but there is only a couple manufacturers of springs themselves. They make them for a lot of companies and get re branded. They do make them to different spec sometimes but most time there is not much difference brand to brand.

There are actually more than a couple. And for after-market, there are quite a few - and they DO make their own springs in most cases. Some send specs to Mexico and get springs and then pass them to you, but others actually make them in-house in their own facility. Eaton-Detroit is one such company, Espo, General Spring and others. Order springs, they make them and you have them that week. If you need custom coil springs, tell General Spring and they'll make them to the rate you request. If your stock springs are 100 and you want a 120, you tell them you want them to add 20 to the rate. (they likely won't do Jeep, though)

This may be a bit different for Jeep - but for other cars - Camaro, Mustang, AMX and so on, other companies make springs.

Didn't take long to find over a dozen actual automotive spring manufacturers in the midwest. It's not a complex business once set up.

However, my bet is that many of those companies selling springs for Jeeps buys or sources from one of the real manufacturers. These other companies make springs for pretty much any car or truck.

And the list goes on - concentrated on manufacturers, not "suppliers".

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Why would a company that could sell at a premium advertise that their springs are the same or very similar to less expensive ones?

Hmmm, good point.

People don't get the quality or mix of the alloys used, they'll look at the end spec and see no real difference and buy the cheap one?

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