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Yeah, but it would be the getting-it-back-on part that may be troublesome. I suppose a few steel straps, strategically bolted on. I don't think you could make the Ranger much uglier, so maybe a little industrio-utilitarian flare would be nice.

Yup. That's how it's been with the Wrangler. There are exceptions due to parts restrictions, but all things being equal (and available), a sold customer order gets priority over a dealer inventory-spec vehicle, and also doesn't count against a dealer's allotment (but can actually help a dealer...

A decently equipped Wrangler Sport S with leather like the Lariat is around $46k. I would expect the Gladiator to command around a 8-10% premium over that, so $49-51k seems about right. More than a loaded Ranger, but unless you have a chainsaw, that Ranger top just ain't coming off....

"Sold" dealer orders do get build priority.

If you look at the pictures from 3/4 behind, those strips look recessed. Perhaps for better airflow/less buffeting around the rear quarter? They did the same thing with the JL Rubi stock wheels. Silver stock, but black at the auto shows. They eventually showed up on the Moab edition. This, to...

Like most here have written, do all "negotiations" via email first, and get deals in writing before you commit. As far as those 2 other numbers you are wondering about: holdback is never figured into the vehicle price, but a really motivated dealer might be willing to dip into that to offer you...

I'm thinking by way of percentage. If a Sport JLU is $35k, then 10% is $3500 additional for a Sport JT. Likewise the JLUR (with some popular options) @$50k, the JTR will come in around $55k. The towing/payload increase and chassis/suspension upgrades alone have to be worth that much more...

I'm expecting exactly that: $3500 at the Sport level, $4000 Sport S, $4500 Overland(Sahara) and $5000 Rubicon. This keeps the lower trim levels more accessible (which I think will be at a lower take rate), and maximizes profits on the higher (and higher take rate) trims. Of course, I want a...

Yup. I see your logic 100%. I just have a hard time believing that they could change direction that drastically in less than a year. Car companies take years, if not decades bringing new products to market (look at the Bronco), and for FCA to have a paradigm shift of this magnitude would be...

I'm hoping that the optimists here are right (or at least close), but Jeep's recent track record of pricing the JL leads me to believe otherwise (they made 3-4 separate price increases mid year on the JL), and Marchionne, contrary to what some believe, made the famous "expensive, intentionally...

Perhaps you've been using "cat-skin"...

And, of course, to get every option you want and none you don't and probably the best possible price, as the Jeep dealers generally do the greatest below invoice pricing on factory orders. But, yeah, the name on the sticker is cool, too... Is your Baja yellow? I love that car.

Eventually, the forum will post detailed info about pricing via the ordering guide, which lists FWP (Factory Wholesale Price), commonly referred to as "invoice", and MSRP. This is the newest for the JL (though, the newest update doesn't include invoice, so click on the November one for...

It can, if you're patient: https://katzkin.com/

Apples-to-kumquats. The 4 Runner has stuff you just can't get on a Taco, plus, it is a far more modern vehicle. The JL and the JT are virtually identical except for the JT's superior towing and hauling abilities due to a beefier chassis and other heavier-duty components. More utility+greater...

Except Jeep will say there are no other vehicles in this class, the closest being the JL. As an example of this, many posters have argued that a 4 Runner TRD Pro is $5-8000 less than a comparably equipped JL, only for others to point out that there is no such thing as a comparably priced JL/4...

My only worry about this is that you can't really have a comparably priced JL. The increase in payload capacity and towing (which is a massive increase) is worth $2k alone. Tack on the added value of things like the Fox shocks and 31" of length in the actual vehicle and those added costs have to...

Yup. I guess if you want to be reasonable and not hype the price, you would be accurate. But I also think the mark-up percentage will be a bit higher on the lower priced models, because the dollar amount will be about the same. In other words, if they need to get $4-5k-ish premium on all JTs...

I think the easiest way to estimate pricing on the JT is to start with a comparable JL and add about an 8-10% premium: A loaded JLUR can push $58k, so figure $62-64k for a loaded out JTR. I know it seems high, but there is simply no way the JT will be less than the JL. This vehicle is really not...

A much easier solution: put the Grizzly on a trailer (like most people do) and use that 7600lb towing capacity, leaving the bed free for beer and food on the way out, and elk and deer on the way back.