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  1. Below Invoice Discussion @ Motor Inn of Spirit Lake

    @spenchey Thanks for the information here and for being so involved with the community. It's great to have access to dealers who like to do business instead of haggle. I'm another Colorado shopper - can you provide some information around your support for folks who want to Fly-and-Drive for...
  2. Local Dealers Internet Sales Rep - What's the stock # ...

    Even better - take that human sales rep knowledge, hand it to a business analyst to try and create AI, hand all of that off to a third-world CompSci graduate on the other side of the world who understands little-to-nothing about US car buyers and speaks English as a second or third language, and...
  3. Jeep Towing + Manual Transmission = HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT

    I think waiting for a future model year for any improvements to anything related to manual transmissions is a flawed idea. MT is going away from automobiles in general. Electrification will eliminate passenger car vehicle transmissions overall, so there is little incentive for any manufacturer...
  4. How to negotiate?

    This, exactly. The only way you win a negotiation is when you want the deal less than the other guy does. The best negotiation I ever had was when I walked away from an in-stock unit due to color. The sales manager was texting me afterwards, dropping the price every time. He finally got below...
  5. Hopeful

    Don't pay MSRP for anything... People willing to wait out the initial demand for this vehicle and all of the dealer shenanigans will eventually get trucks for under MSRP, and eventually under invoice from dealers who favor large volume over large margin.
  6. Any Thoughts On The Rivian R1T Truck

    I think it depends on your use cases for the truck. For the around town and easy gravel road driving depicted in the video, I think this is an awesome truck, pricing aside. For people who really want to "get out there" into backcountry, I would be concerned about durability and the ability to...
  7. GOBI Gladiator JT Club

    If you look closely at the pics of the truck at the LA show that were posted above, you can see the Gobi demo truck has the red dash...
  8. Seeking expert towing advice

    I have found the following resources to be quite useful for demystifying the finer aspects of towing: https://www.curtmfg.com/towing-capacity https://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/
  9. Who is waiting for the diesel?

    I am waiting for 2020 calendar year due to my existing lease. I’d like to have a Diesel engine in a JT, but I cannot answer whether I will wait for it specifically due to: Unknown cost (for both the truck and the diesel option) Uncertain release date (I’m not going wait around for a unicorn...
  10. **2020 Jeep Gladiator official pics and specs**

    I'm sure FCA has an expert staff determining pricing on these vehicles, and they have all sorts of data to support whatever pricing structure they come up with. From a personal perspective as I consider a JT Rubicon vs. Colorado ZR2, I'm willing to part with a little more cash for cool...
  11. How are you going to use your JT?

    Hospital is fine. It's when wife arguments end with a lawyer that you know things are bad.
  12. **2020 Jeep Gladiator official pics and specs**

    Colorado and Canyon are supposedly going to receive a mid-cycle update for 2020 model year, which I expect to address some of the cheapness of the platform (headlights, plastics, keyless ignition, etc.) compared to the JL/JT. ZR2 maintains appeal due to ability to configure as a two-door cab...
  13. Diesel vs gas

    For those who live and/or Jeep at elevation, the power loss of a naturally aspirated engine is around 3% for every thousand feet of altitude above sea level. For a forced-induction engine, the power loss is more like 1% for every thousand feet. I live around 7k ft ASL and regularly visit 8-10k...
  14. Gladiator Base Price Poll

    $47,449 And yes, I will come to Denver to collect muh beer. ;-)
  15. General Towing question

    Thanks for the vid link. I found an online calculator similar to the Excel he used. Hope this helps others. :) https://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/
  16. Update: JT Jeep Pickup Truck Arrives at Dealerships April 2019

    * cost * schedule * quality Pick any two, and the third will vary based on your other two choices.
  17. Ordering a vehicle directly

    I'm also in Colorado, and we both know that Jeeps are coveted around here like nothing else. I pretty much have my mind set on going out of state due to expected high local demand for the JT. Like you, I'd rather keep my dollars in the local community but I will not sacrifice thousands of...




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