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There are also those of us who do want electrification. And are enthusiast. Lower end torque, reduced fueling costs, lower center of gravity. Electrification, when done right, is fantastic to go crawling.

Well. Guess I won't be getting back in a Gladiator. Love my Wrangler 4xe but was looking forward to a JT one. V8 is a big pass for me. Overpriced and thirsty. Torque not as down low

And no one is forcing it on you. I'm all for choice as well. Just any time electrification gets broughr up folks come outta the wood work to just proclaim how it doesn't belong in a Jeep or how someone or something is "cramming it down their throats" like most Stellantis lots aren't packed to...

Agreed. Curious to see the next gen of Wrangler, the hypothetical Ineos EV, and the Scout. That'll give some teeth to the EV 4x4 space.

I think EV enthusiasts overlap more with tech enthusiast than car enthusiast. And they don't see PHEVs as true EVs. So there's a gap. And that's where the 4xes fall. They keep company with the RAV4 Prime, Prius Prime, some BMWs and so on

Because EV and hybrid folks aren't typically car enthusiast whereas people who like V8s are. And car videos cater to car enthusiast. Not indicative of the whole market.

Fair. I'm in my early 30s and doing fine. I'll take the high costs for the privilege of living in coastal California.

Touche. Still think the whole thing is overblown. People are touchy these days. I'm with ShadowsPapa on pushing back on knee jerk vitriol towards stuff.

New stock. I live here and took a look at the odd dealer lot every now and then

By your own vehicle admissions, you seem to be doing fine. Taxes could be state or possibly local. Aside from COVID years, California is still growing, both population and GDP. Without wading into politics though, California is a relevant comparison to the rest of the country because of its size.

Context isn't your atrong suit. The dealer is doing the ordering. Trackin?

Probably some local resentment at electrification since so far its meant job cuts and off shoring for American auto workers. But that's just an uninformed guess. Throw in you're clickbait headlines about EVs and hybrids performing poorly in winter, it's sure to keep the rust belt away. I'm...

Y'all seem to think just because a law is passed it's followed. Americans have a long and proud tradition of ignoring silly laws. Here in California, a lot of dealers ignored that electric only rule by saying customers "ordered" a gas version (something they could do) and then "walked away" on...

Nah, and even when the headlines said that, still plenty of ICE Wranglers on dealer lots here in sunny SoCal.

Data bears out that the PHEVs are popular. Half of Wrangler sales. That would make it more popular than the 3.6L, 2.0L and 392. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a place for a variety of powertrains. But the Stellantis is already trying to shoot itself in the foot again by trotting out an...

The 4xe makes more power and torque than the 3.6, as much torque as the 392. Those videos have more views because of the outspoken enthusiast market. But normal folks don't anticipate vehicle launches. They shop what's on the market. A 4xe Gladiator would be the first PHEV midsize, make more...

I live in Southern California. There are currently a lot more 3.6 and 2.0 Jeeps on the lots than 4xes. They can't keep the 4xes in stock for long. The state, while being very EV promoting, doesn't offer rebates anymore either. People like hybrids. More power and fuel savings

I swapped my 3.6 JT for a 4xe JL. Way better powertrain. More power, commute is covered by electricity (and mine is free), same torque as a 392 down lower, and quiet off roading. They said it was coming for next year, and that remains to be seen as Stellantis continues to flounder in a changing...

Adjusted for inflation, that's $52,582. A two door JL Rubicon built with near matching options runs for $47,424 sticker price.

The MT for this gen of Jeeps made me trade in for an auto box Wrangler. Not only the crappy engagement and poor clutch feel, but the wonky gearing and loss of towing capacity killed me. The auto is fantastic. As a side note, I'd probably hop back in a JT if Jeep ever gets around to putting out...