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I think it’s just a single instance of 21 orders not being accepted which makes me think it’s probably a lying dealer. Dealers lie all the time to push physical inventory on their lots. 22s are not orderable yet. No one has any idea of when they will be or what will be added. As you say there...

Order from Gupton. But a valuable trade is the situation where you might do something different. Make sure to price on Carvana + Vroom, sometimes their offers are REALLY good. EDIT: Some states will only charge you net purchase price sales tax, in those cases it probably makes sense to trade...

Overland. Also not sure the justification for the diesel, but based on your specs Overland :)

Lol two year old thread bro :)

Gentle pushback from a guy with a 2021 on order and who therefore would like you to be right: Jeep has been 'good' at raising prices in each of the last few new monthly order guides. So maybe the price increase is already largely baked in...?

Not sure if a joke but still fingers crossed either way :)

Good move. Many dealers are scum. They almost certainly ordered it wrong and then immediately tried to pass the buck. Did they at least return your deposit without issue? One thought if they gave the deposit back really easily - they may have never really intended the Jeep to be ‘yours.’ Not...

This is a great post. Nothing against the excellent auto, especially considering the superior towing numbers. But I don’t understand “you have to downshift and rev the manual” comments given the auto will likewise downshift like crazy when accelerating on the interstate. Downshifts with a...

Base sport. Awesome choice, and I say that with a manual Gupton Mojave on order. My Mojave is lightly optioned, but it gave me two must-haves and two nice-to-haves: *500lbs more legal towing capacity that will move the needle for what I plan to do with the truck. *The stance I like while being...

But do we have any evidence at all that they’re waiting to the Texas Auto Show for anything Wrangler/Gladiator related? They can just as easy roll over to 2022 before or after that date, no?

All fair. Convertibles cost $5k premium in the market, or more. Style-forward vehicles often do too. Totally sensible that you don’t want to pay the premium. My contention is just someone with your stated preferences here is already not buying a Gladiator, nothing the new Frontier is bringing to...

So you're predicting Gladiator sales decline by 20k annually once the new Frontier is on lots? Or just that 20k folks will look at the Frontier but not buy it? Your hypothetical Frontier defector is a purchaser who: *doesn't care about a removable roof *doesn't care about removable doors...

All two of them...

Was it for $1k? ;)

Funny stuff, but seriously if there’s a $0 increase in the base price and a $12k(!) increase in the options and this is via the notoriously bad online configurator it seems like the numbers may be wrong. I’d confirm before ordering something else. Little reason for Stellantis to raise Gladiator...

Good to know. I wonder why your Jeep is so ahead of mine. I ordered almost no ‘chip heavy’ options. Maybe because mine in a manual, or maybe just randomness…

Same timing for me but still in scheduling :( I wonder if it’s due to Gecko…

Texas is a nothing auto show. I’m sure there are some trim or option annoucements in the truck space but it’s not part of the major circuit. LA is usually the first show of the NEXT circuit (for cars coming out in the fall of the next year as, in this case, 2023 models). Detroit is the big show...

Agreed. For something midcycle which won’t get any major press, I don’t see what Jeep gains by announcing even one day in advance from their perspective. Let people order as many 2021s as they can… Of course personally I wish they’d share the entire roadmap, but as much as I wish it was the...

Re: engine cooling - Just rate it less for towing. Plenty of other trucks don't match their most powerful models to their best at towing - see Ford Raptor perhaps most notably. Re: refresh - I have no idea when a real refresh would be, but can anyone remember a recent domestic model refreshed...