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I 100% agree. It makes absolutely no sense why auto 4H would do any better than locked 4H in snow. It’s anything but that!

The commercial i seen LITERALLY says " 2023 Initial Quality Study for Midsize Trucks from JD Power"

Don't know know what they were really trying to say just said #1 mid-sized truck. The reason for the lower prices on used and huge discounts on new is due to low demand and excess inventory due to low demand. Just stating the facts as I found them when it relates to #1. As for the Frontier...

The jeep ad is directly referencing the 2023 Initial Quality Study for Midsize Trucks from JD Power. They even say this in one of the ads.

This is what i get with off road trail apps. I believe Onx and tails offroad. Shows the full map on the display and can interact with the interface just like in the app. One requires an active membership to use carplay though.

I wish i could have gotten that color!

Very nice what is your setup?

Nice! Does yours have a lift?

are those stock tires? They look better than usual. Could just be the snow.

Yeah i agree. Its good that everyone is on the same page now and looks like you will get your fix afterall. If you do ever decide to work at a jeep service center please let me know so i can coordinate with you for my service appts. :LOL:

I am wanting a better looking stance. I do go offroading in the mountains a lot but nothing too technical (not on purpose anyways). I might just wait and save up for the mopar 2in lift that comes with Bilstein shocks all around i believe (this lift is like $3k with installation). Then i can...

I would like to think that in the year 2222, lift kits or 44s will no longer be required. Instead you would just adjust your elevation knob next to the hydroboost button.

Cool. Thanks for the advice. Sounds like the only thing to gain by swapping to the rubicon suspension is maybe a 1" lift.

Wouldnt a Rubicon suspension be smoother than the sport models? I just seen a set of rubi shocks/springs with less than 1000 miles for $350 i was thinking of grabbing for my Willys. I also have a set of barely used 33in tires from a rubi in my garage i will swap out at some point. Eventually...

Those are easily replaceable.

I would not put anything past jeep service centers. My gut tells me the service techs at these dealers dont know jack! Most of them look like they are still in high school.

Is the suspension on the Willys the same as the sport trims?

Almost $3000 now

Interesting. Maybe it’s worth just getting them and seeing what it feels like and decide from there. I don’t drive on the highway too often.

I don’t plan on adding anything more than a bed rack. Just think the Willy’s would look better on 35s with maybe a 2in lift. Not too concerned with gas mileage either just don’t want to strain the transmission or to struggle uphill.