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[OldButStillJeeping]

Gladiator with IFS and a 4 cylinder turbo

...Which is exactly why I own a Gladiator and not any other small truck... The solid axle and naturally aspirated engine in the JT.

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[ScottBeach]

Jeep would never go ifs. The entire point of the wrangler/gladiator is solid axle.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Jeep would never go ifs. The entire point of the wrangler/gladiator is solid axle.

The cherokee and grand cherokee and wagoneer WERE solid axle rigs too...until they weren't.

 

[ScottBeach]

I just can't see it but if it does. That might be the end of the brand. Off road image sells those grand cherokee. If there is no off road focused halo vehicles the brand dies. Which sounds crazy till I think of all the brands lost in my lifetime.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I just can't see it but if it does. That might be the end of the brand. Off road image sells those grand cherokee. If there is no off road focused halo vehicles the brand dies. Which sounds crazy till I think of all the brands lost in my lifetime.

Well the Toyota,/Bronco/Colorado fan Bois still have their "off road" image. Not that I think Jeep should go the IFS route but literally everyone else did a long time ago. Even the grand cherokee still had a solid front axle until. 2004, long past the competition. And then it didn't. Now it's 4 wheel independent. I hope they don't but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[ScottBeach]

1999 GC sold just over 300k units. And stayed over 260 till the new ifs unit came in. 2005 sales were only 214k (this was peak economy) by 2008 it was under 80k. Last year it was still under 240k

Ifs didn't help sales. If they like money. Keep the solid axle.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

1999 GC sold just over 300k units. And stayed over 260 till the new ifs unit came in. 2005 sales were only 214k (this was peak economy) by 2008 it was under 80k. Last year it was still under 240k

Ifs didn't help sales. If they like money. Keep the solid axle.

It had nothing to do with the solid axle. 1999 was just about the peak of SUV popularity. SUV sales were down 20% in 2005 alone, and down nearly 50% in the final months because hurricane Katrina caused a record increase in gas prices. People hated SUVs buy the end of the 2000s.

 

[Zachanadandy]

1999 GC sold just over 300k units. And stayed over 260 till the new ifs unit came in. 2005 sales were only 214k (this was peak economy) by 2008 it was under 80k. Last year it was still under 240k

Ifs didn't help sales. If they like money. Keep the solid axle.

2000 was peak economy or did you forget the post 9/11/01 recession? It's impossible to say wether it hurt sales, too many variables. Every non-wheeler even here and on the JL forum is convinced that IFS would help sales. I wouldn't go that far by any stretch as even they still buy then with solid axles despite crying about ride and handling. I know I wouldn't buy one if they go IFS.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Sad, but the solid axle off-road capability is lost to the newer generations. They want comfort and car like driving attributes on the street.

Even Mercedes in the "G-Ride" dumped the solid front axle because the buyers didn't care about solid or IFS. They would still spend the soid axle prices for a IFS. Portal solid axles were the king pin for the G Ride.... but the wealthy don't know the difference, so just put independant suspension front and rear. "We will sell them a refurbished high tech Mitsubishi Montero or Isuzu Trooper II for $200,000." The Mercedes emblem is good for $100,000.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Having owned IFS and solid axle SUVs and trucks over the decades. The difference is huge to an off-roader driving over rocks and on serious trails.

None of it matters, except to those who care or know. Those who know usually want solid axles. HMMV and portal IFS notwithstanding.

I would buy this for the market adjustment to or at about $35,000 in todays dollars. In fact, I would buy 2 tomorrow:


I wish Toyota was listening.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Having owned IFS and solid axle SUVs and trucks over the decades. The difference is huge to an off-roader driving over over rocks and on serious trails.

None of it matters, except to those who care or know. Those who know usually want solid axles. HMMV and portal IFS notwithstanding.

Unless they build an ultra4 style IFS with more travel than a raptor or trx without their massive width by placing the A-arm pivots much closer together than normal frames allow I'm not interested. Now if you can sell me a Mojave with that front suspension and a trailing arm rear with 30" of wheel travel then I'll gladly ditch the solid front axle.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Unless they build an ultra4 style IFS with more travel than a raptor or trx without their massive width by placing the A-arm pivots much closer together than normal frames allow I'm not interested. Now if you can sell me a Mojave with that front suspension and a trailing arm rear with 30" of wheel travel then I'll gladly ditch the solid front axle.

You know as well as I, that long travel A arm isn't going to happen on public sold vehicles any time soon.

 

[Zachanadandy]

You know as well as I, that long travel A arm isn't going to happen on public sold vehicles any time soon.

The trx/rho and Raptor are there but they are just too wide for q lot of trails. If I only ran the truck in the desert (which I do often) I'd probably go RHO but some of the slot canyons are way too narrow. Even the JT was rubbing the passenger front fender on 1 wall while dragging the drivers rear tire on the other in a few spots.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

The trx/rho and Raptor are there but they are just too wide for q lot of trails. If I only ran the truck in the desert (which I do often) I'd probably go RHO but some of the slot canyons are way too narrow. Even the JT was rubbing the passenger front fender on 1 wall while dragging the drivers rear tire on the other in a few spots.

Although I own a Jeep Mojave, I know that Ford's Raptor and Ram's TRX are way better at high speed in the whoops. Way way better than a JT Mojave. If i wanted to really blasty in the dez I would roll a TRX.

I own my JT Mojave for it's frame strength and its solid axles for slow and go trails. The street ride is so good on my Mojave that my wife uses it as her daily.

Off road and slow and go.... is solid axle realm. Therefore I own a Mo.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Although I own a Jeep Mojave, I know that Ford's Raptor and Ram's TRX are way better at high speed in the whoops. Way way better than a JT Mojave. If i wanted to really blasty in the dez I would roll a TRX.

I own my JT Mojave for it's frame strength and its solid axles for slow and go trails. The street ride is so good on my Mojave that my wife uses it as her daily.

Off road and slow and go.... is solid axle realm. Therefore I own a Mo.

It's no trx but it's surprisingly stable at freeway speeds in the desert. Even on washboards and small jumps. Every time one of the Toyota or Bronco fans want to tell me how great their short arm ifs is at speed I offer to run them in the desert....no takers yet.

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