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My old YJ had three (3) keys....ignition (square style; switch so worn out that they key was not required to start), HALF DOORS (oval style; never used even one time in 16 years) and the factory console (also oval, but with a different logo).

That's why I asked in the original post if there were verified specs... but I wouldn't put anything past the fine folks at Stellantis.

Last bit here...... https://carbuzz.com/cars/jeep/gladiator/2023-jeep-gladiator-mojave

More....this info is all over several sites out there.

I just Googled it... there's a good bit of this out there.

Am I seeing things, or does the 2023 Mojave now have a published tow capacity of 4,500 lbs for both transmission types? For model years 2022 and prior, the AT-variant has a published tow capacity of 6,000 lbs and the MT is 4,500 lbs. Did Jeep actually downgrade the towing capability of the AT...

Hold on to your ass, son, cuz it ain’t over yet.

Not in the car business there isn’t.

Christ... if that's not totaled, I'll eat my hat. Yours, too.

Ya, in a similar vein, the difference is that one will never let you down by giving you a good tug when you need it....and the other is bolted to the front bumper, taking up GVWR. My unpopular opinion....is that I really am annoyed by people referring to ANY Jeep as a "car".

If you keep it…tell them to give you another 100k warranty on the powertrain.

Did anyone really think Jeep was gonna add an inline six to the engine roster? I'll bet 24 million dollars they're not.... https://www.motor1.com/news/595495/stellantis-investing-michigan-engine-plant/

This is the gateway to straight-up eco-terrorism. From tire extinguishing comes setting vehicles on fire and the like. Because a burning vehicle is always better for the environment.

This….is amazing.

We laugh at this…but I’ll saw my arm off if there’s not a dealer out there that wouldn’t say this…

Same.

Almost sounds like....Fox customer service phones...are forwarded to a Jeep dealership.

Smartest response here, thus far. Find a different dealer, just for starters.

No, they all do not. What you are experiencing is a lazy, shitbox dealership that is either too stupid to fix a peanut butter sandwich....or is simply too lazy to try.

You can easily wheel from Georgia to Maine. I bet dollars to donuts that anyone who tells you east coast four-wheeling sucks or is non-existent..... has never been to the east coast...