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  1. Pentastar or 3.0l?

    The 3.6L is the way to go IMHO. Better towing capacity, better cooling, better support from dealer and third party repair centers… oh, and cheaper too. Other than the cool factor, I’m not certain what would persuade me to want the diesel.
  2. Overwhelmed at the custom buy options...

    If I had to custom order I don't think I would have gotten the LEDs. Now that I've owned them, however, I think it'd be crazy to not have them. IMHO, if I were to custom order today, I'd spec my Rubicon like this: Upgraded Rims M/T tires black hard top slush mats remote start aux switches...
  3. Overwhelmed at the custom buy options...

    If the OP is mainly worried about an outlet in the bed, then you're absolutely right. But, from the OPs post it sounds like they also might be wanting this package for the lockage storage. IMHO, I'd do the trail rail package. Sure the outlet might be "meh", but between the rails themselves and...
  4. 4.10 gears

    Exactly my point. Perhaps I could have worded that better. In short, the the gears themselves are the cheap part. Between the labor, and everything else in the install, that's where the cost really adds up. Also, I wouldn't even trust the ring gear - the installer who removed it likely...
  5. 4.10 gears

    This. Also, unless it's a backyard job, most shops don't want to deal with used gears. That's just asking for something to go sideways and you come back to them. Also, even with a used set of gears you'll need crush sleeves & shims, and I guess you plan on reusing the bearings? Sounds sketchy...
  6. thinking of cancelling 22 rubi diesel order

    That's one hell of a dealer. Also, another good point. If you believed half the threads on this forum you'd think that 90% of dealership are out to scam you and steal all your money. I'd wager it's closer to the opposite - that 90% of the dealership are honest and just trying to do right by...
  7. What is invoice?

    It's funny how this varies by state. In Oklahoma the sales tax is on the purchase price of the vehicle. What you sale (or trade) your old one for has nothing to do with the sales tax paid, so the decision between a trade or a sale is an equal comparison. Sucks that some states hold you hostage...
  8. Wheel spacer questions

    One thing to consider is that many places will refuse to work on your tires if you have spacers. They don't care how highly recommended, or hub-centric, etc., your spacers are. They will - as a general rule - refuse service to any vehicle with spacers. If you go this route, plan ahead and make...
  9. What is invoice?

    https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/2022-jeep-gladiator-jt-order-guide-updated-monthly.49791/
  10. What is invoice?

    That's a great suggestion. That's actually how I sold my 2008 Wrangler - though it was a Nissan dealer that offered me the most. Either way, check in hand, I wasn't complaining. :)
  11. What is invoice?

    Absolutely. In fact, the negotiating process is even easier if you're doing a custom order. I say easier because you can compare apples-to-apples, whereas if you're just shopping what's on dealer lots then you're left with differences (e.g. one is in my preferred color, but lacks this package...
  12. What is invoice?

    FWIW (and you may know this), but I'd approach it this way: 1) Determine the value of your current vehicle. Get quotes from CarMax, vroom, Carvana, etc. 2) Determine the price you're willing to pay for your new vehicle. 2a) If you're up for traveling then this is a known cost (search for...
  13. What's your exterior car wash routine?

    I usually start with my hair and face, and work my way down from there. In terms of product, I'm pretty flexible. Generally whatever the wife buys me I'm ok with.
  14. What is invoice?

    Invoice is a gimmick. You'd think it's the price the dealer pays, but it's not as clear cut as that. To put it in perspective, dealers still make money when they sell below invoice. The reason for this is called holdbacks and incentives. Each dealer receives (essentially) a kickback when they...
  15. Because I read this forum

    Truth. I remember the JK forum when I bought mine new in 2007. All the posts were like the ones here; 1) What options should I order. 2) Jeep fucked up _____. 3) My dealer screwed me over. 4) What mods should I buy. 5) etc 6) etc. However, as the JK platform aged the posts slowly started to...
  16. TC shifter popping out of 4L

    Of course - not my first Jeep;) The JT just seems pickier than the others, or I used them enough that I forgot how picky they were too original, because I don’t remember having this problem before.
  17. Anyone want a $99 Winch

    There's literally part of me that wants to buy this just to watch it self destrict trying to pull 12K.
  18. TC shifter popping out of 4L

    This thread is reassuring. I had my Rubicon in 4L for the first time a few weeks back when we had all that snow - I wanted it for the front & rear lockers. It all seems like things were working, but 10 minutes into things the t-case shifts into neutral on me. I'd assumed it was because I...
  19. Service writer says "we don't recommend or do 5 tire rotations"

    This is great news! Dealers get a bad rep - mostly deserved - but, some of the people who work there are good people who honestly try to do right by their customers. Kudos for your service advisor.




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