Cheaper option to disable ESS

[billfraley]

Good luck with that. I'll be looking for your post in a few months talking about having battery issues or that seems to be the result of doing these things with the ESS but what do I know. I'd much rather just push the button and have piece of mind but that's me.

The good ole engineers at FCA don't have clue what their doing either

This device will not affect the battery. It simply pushes the button for you. Nothing more than that.

The battery issue is because of a sensor on the main battery and is well documented on the internet. I already experienced the issue when I forgot to remove one ground wire while installing my amp. Easy as pie to fix.

I would be more concerned with the battery situation by unplugging sensors and pulling fuses. This is not mysterious stuff. It is electronic controls and canbus data being read by the BCM.

I am an engineer and deal with canbus data all the time. Chips, sensors, bad connectors and all.

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[billfraley]

When in traffic jams like around Atlanta almost any time of day or night, or plowing, the ESS button is pushed. Gee, I push a button to start it, push another to shift, push the seat belt into the buckle, push a button to change volume or station, it can be come muscle memory for free. It's one out of many.
Number 945,329 ESS thread LOL

And the only thing this device does is push the button for you. No complicated connections or crazy science.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

This device will not affect the battery. It simply pushes the button for you. Nothing more than that.

The battery issue is because of a sensor on the main battery and is well documented on the internet. I already experienced the issue when I forgot to remove one ground wire while installing my amp. Easy as pie to fix.

I would be more concerned with the battery situation by unplugging sensors and pulling fuses. This is not mysterious stuff. It is electronic controls and canbus data being read by the BCM.

I am an engineer and deal with canbus data all the time. Chips, sensors, bad connectors and all.

That's not the issue all the time. It's also been well documented on here that people who routinely don't use the ESS like it's supposed to be used or try to delete it have battery issues. Read to many threads on it on here and most of the time the person says something along the lines of deleting or not using the ESS. I guess since your a engineer you know better than me or FCA, I think they might be looking for strong motivated Engineers as well.

 

[billfraley]

That's not the issue all the time. It's also been well documented on here that people who routinely don't use the ESS like it's supposed to be used or try to delete it have battery issues. Read to many threads on it on here and most of the time the person says something along the lines of deleting or not using the ESS. I guess since your a engineer you know better than me or FCA, I think they might be looking for strong motivated Engineers as well.

If that is the case, then not using the brake fully, or pushing the button all the time would present the same risk. Also, snide remarks about FCA knows best are not helpful at all. FCA knows the cheapest way to get something done, just like all manufacturers do. If the battery is failing because of non ESS use, it’s probably not a very good battery. I suspect it would fail anyway. Just look up the problems with RAM trucks and e-torque batteries.

 

[cafecito]

When in traffic jams like around Atlanta almost any time of day or night, or plowing, the ESS button is pushed. Gee, I push a button to start it, push another to shift, push the seat belt into the buckle, push a button to change volume or station, it can be come muscle memory for free. It's one out of many.
Number 945,329 ESS thread LOL

Pushing 4 buttons on a screen to unlock your phone a hundred times a day is fine, but pressing one extra button one time when you start your truck? Fuck that noise...

 

[Biff Happy]

Wouldn’t just waiting for the inevitable battery fail be a cheap solution?
I keep losing ESS with battery failure.

 

[billfraley]

Pushing 4 buttons on a screen to unlock your phone a hundred times a day is fine, but pressing one extra button one time when you start your truck? Fuck that noise...

I don’t push any buttons on my phone to unlock it. Might as well force me to agree to connect to Bluetooth every time or to connect to a charger too. What is one more button?

 

[cafecito]

I don’t push any buttons on my phone to unlock it. Might as well force me to agree to connect to Bluetooth every time or to connect to a charger too. What is one more button?

Preachin' to the choir on that one... The interface of this UConnect head unit is nice, but the myriad of issues with connectivity and features not working has me wondering if Android Auto is even worth the hassle most of the time.

(For the record, my previous comment wasn't directed at you in particular. I just find it funny how much fuss people make about ESS is all.)

 

[Sprinkler-Fitter]

Been doing that. Just want to forget about it. For $40, no brainer for me.

been doing what?

Pushing 4 buttons on a screen to unlock your phone a hundred times a day is fine, but pressing one extra button one time when you start your truck? Fuck that noise...

Who pushes buttons to open a phone?
Who uses a phone a hundred times a day?

 

[billfraley]

been doing what?

Light braking and pushing the button. Getting old. Lol

Who pushes buttons to open a phone?
Who uses a phone a hundred times a day?

I am sure there are plenty of people with Android phones doing that still. Lol

 

[Tupacshakur]

Congrats, and don't forget that when amortized this savings will offset a miniscule fraction of the cost of the additional gas you're wasting.

 

[Hockeydad55]

I recently installed an amp powered sound system and soon realized my amp does not like ESS. It briefly shuts off every time the vehicle restarts after ESS engagement. So, I looked for some solutions, and I do not want a tazer or tazer mini as I use a cable and JScan or AlfaOBD to make the changes I want to the BCM.

I found several disable options, but they were all $99 or more. This seems ridiculous for a very simple chip to bypass/override the button. I found one on Amazon for $40 and decided to give it a shot:

Amazon.com: Auto Start Stop Delete/Disable/Eliminator Compatible with Jeep Wrangler 18-21, Automatic Stop Start Engine System Cancel Device : Electronics

I installed it in less than 5 minutes, and it works like a charm. I tried to search and see if this option is mentioned in any other thread. I did not find it, so thought I would share that this works, and the price is right.

So I went to Amazon and in the ratings one person says it disabled there remote start too do you have remote start and if so did that happen to you?

 

[billfraley]

So I went to Amazon and in the ratings one person says it disabled there remote start too do you have remote start and if so did that happen to you?

I tested remote start as the first thing after testing the button being remembered. I have remote started it a couple times since. I also just remote started and remote start cancelled. No problem at all.

I suspect there is something else causing that guys issue. Could be a bad Aux battery. It may have already been a problem for all we know.

 

[Blade1668]

I am sure there are plenty of people with Android phones doing that still. Lol

I'm one that does but I don't want to use facial recognition or finger print to unlock.... a personal preference.
FYI: Not a fan of the ESS really either, yes it might save some fuel over time but at what cost to other components in the system??? I do think that the starter has a finite number of functions before it wears out, could the ESS cycle be part of the engine failures that some people have had? I'm damn sure not a mechanical engineer or otherwise.... I have met quite a few of them some I can attest shouldn't be allowed to handle scissors even.

 

[billfraley]

I'm one that does but I don't want to use facial recognition or finger print to unlock.... a personal preference.
FYI: Not a fan of the ESS really either, yes it might save some fuel over time but at what cost to other components in the system??? I do think that the starter has a finite number of functions before it wears out, could the ESS cycle be part of the engine failures that some people have had? I'm damn sure not a mechanical engineer or otherwise.... I have met quite a few of them some I can attest shouldn't be allowed to handle scissors even.

I respect your personal choice. ?

I mean, one would think the starter and other components were engineered to maintain a specific duty cycle. But, logic should follow that the life will be extended by lowering the number of cycles. This will not always ring true, but based on averages it should.

I have read about Aux battery failures, and speculation that it may have been caused by not using ESS. I don’t really buy it though.

Battery technology is not that complicated. If a battery is marginal, and the system stops charging it correctly, it will likely lead to an early demise. In the case of our Jeeps, there is some additional complexity due to the way the vehicle senses voltage and adapts charging accordingly. Then you have dealer service techs who don’t understand the system, or how to troubleshoot it. It’s like a doctor diagnosing cancer without knowing how to determine the cause.

I am not sure I would make the jump to say ESS is causing engine failures. It would seem that it is just a variable, and that the failure would have happened anyway. Also, just because something is part of the symptom, doesn’t mean it is part of the root cause. There are a lot of variables that would need to be examined.

If we look at it with anecdotal evidence we can draw bad conclusions. My first engine failure ever, in a low mileage scenario, was also my first vehicle that had an ESS system. Anecdotally, ESS leads to premature engine failure. This is the problem with anecdotal evidence.

I work with a lot of engineers, yes some of them lack common sense, but most of them are capable of troubleshooting what they understand.

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