How to know tow capacity after a 3.5 lift and 37's?

[Zachanadandy]

Step 1: Necro a thread that's almost 5 years.

Step 2: Parrot the exact same talking points from every other tow capacity thread yet again.

Step 3: ......

Step 4: Profit?

1. Sometimes when you're reading through a thread you might inadvertently click on the similar threads at the bottom like when your dog comes over for you to throw his ball
2. You pick up where you thought you left off because you don't pay any attention to the date of posts
3. Threads... and the internet in general don't have an expiration date
4. Someone who thinks dates of posts matter, or that topics somehow become irrelevant with time gets all but hurt and posts.... in the old ass thread.... about how one shouldn't post on an old ass thread

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[Panthers65]

So mods that add weight reduce it and lightening mods increase it. Take the top and doors off and I can tow an extra 200lbs. I guess it's a good thing we aren't using gladiators for commercial hauling so we will never end up getting weighed anyway.

as long as you don't exceed any of the posted factory numbers, go for it.

 

[Zachanadandy]

as long as you don't exceed any of the posted factory numbers, go for it.

And if you do? Instant self destruction? Bedlam and chaos in the streets? A cop is going to see you and go "he looks like he's over by a couple hundred pounds"? The myth that insurance won't cover you? Insurance covers you if you're speeding, drunk, driving the wrong way down a one way, but 300lbs over the rating and their drawing the line? Look at your policy. The only exclusions in mine are things like racing and I believe even there it says sanctioned events. Yes you'll still be covered if you try to play fast & furious on the street and misjudge that train coming. Sure if you're trying to tow double the rating, riding around on the bump stops, etc you might actually get pulled over but nobody cares if you're within 1k pounds of the rating. As far as liability that doesn't change either. Someone runs into you, doesn't matter what your trailer weighs they are at fault. Blow a stop sign and hit a bus full of nuns towing a little red wagon with an easy bake oven in it, you're still at fault.

 

[sharpsicle]

1. Sometimes when you're reading through a thread you might inadvertently click on the similar threads at the bottom like when your dog comes over for you to throw his ball
2. You pick up where you thought you left off because you don't pay any attention to the date of posts
3. Threads... and the internet in general don't have an expiration date
4. Someone who thinks dates of posts matter, or that topics somehow become irrelevant with time gets all but hurt and posts.... in the old ass thread.... about how one shouldn't post on an old ass thread

Oh no, I get it. You got lost on the forum. It happens.

Can’t take a little razzing? It’s all in good fun.

 

[Panthers65]

And if you do? Instant self destruction? Bedlam and chaos in the streets? A cop is going to see you and go "he looks like he's over by a couple hundred pounds"? The myth that insurance won't cover you? Insurance covers you if you're speeding, drunk, driving the wrong way down a one way, but 300lbs over the rating and their drawing the line? Look at your policy. The only exclusions in mine are things like racing and I believe even there it says sanctioned events. Yes you'll still be covered if you try to play fast & furious on the street and misjudge that train coming. Sure if you're trying to tow double the rating, riding around on the bump stops, etc you might actually get pulled over but nobody cares if you're within 1k pounds of the rating. As far as liability that doesn't change either. Someone runs into you, doesn't matter what your trailer weighs they are at fault. Blow a stop sign and hit a bus full of nuns towing a little red wagon with an easy bake oven in it, you're still at fault.

Cause insurance companies never look for a reason to not pay out? I promise their lawyers are better.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Cause insurance companies never look for a reason to not pay out? I promise their lawyers are better.

I promise you won't find a single case that's not just absurd (guy towing 23k pounds with a truck rated at 10k is one of the only ones anyone has ever posted). I've been asking the same question of the by the book types for 20+ years since the pirate 4x4 days. It's not a thing. Any accident big enough to warrant that level of investigation you're thinking will happen leaves the truck and trailer in pieces. I'm sure they are scrapping up ever piece from the side of the road including fluids to go weigh them to price you were 300lbs over... and still covered.

 

[Panthers65]

I promise you won't find a single case that's not just absurd (guy towing 23k pounds with a truck rated at 10k is one of the only ones anyone has ever posted). I've been asking the same question of the by the book types for 20+ years since the pirate 4x4 days. It's not a thing.

Alright, have fun. My family's safety or wealth/stability isn't worth the risk. I'll stick to just buying the right tool for the job

 

[Zachanadandy]

Alright, have fun. My family's safety or wealth/stability isn't worth the risk. I'll stick to just buying the right tool for the job

Buying an $80k truck for a 1 time scenario to save money? You do you. I could see the argument for renting the right tool but not the words you chose.

 

[sharpsicle]

I promise you won't find a single case that's not just absurd (guy towing 23k pounds with a truck rated at 10k is one of the only ones anyone has ever posted). I've been asking the same question of the by the book types for 20+ years since the pirate 4x4 days. It's not a thing. Any accident big enough to warrant that level of investigation you're thinking will happen leaves the truck and trailer in pieces. I'm sure they are scrapping up ever piece from the side of the road including fluids to go weigh them to price you were 300lbs over... and still covered.

Covered does not mean you aren't determined to be at-fault due to your excessive load. And being at-fault means you are exposed to more liability in civil matters, many of which likely won't be covered by your insurance due to either being outside the scope of coverage or exceeding plan maximums.

It seems silly to promote the idea of exceeding capacity ratings to anyone...

 

[Zachanadandy]

Covered does not mean you aren't determined to be at-fault due to your excessive load. And being at-fault means you are exposed to more liability in civil matters, many of which likely won't be covered by your insurance due to either being outside the scope of coverage or exceeding plan maximums.

It seems silly to promote the idea of exceeding capacity ratings to anyone...

You either caused the accident or you didn't, regardless of load. There's no scenario where load makes the difference. My point is that nobody is weighing their truck and/or trailer every time they load it up. A few hundred pounds under and a few hundred over looks the same. If you weren't on the internet obsessing over it you wouldn't know or care either way. Nether will the truck, the police, or the insurance company.

 

[sharpsicle]

You either caused the accident or you didn't, regardless of load. There's no scenario where load makes the difference.

Okay bud!

Whether or not you think overloading is a liability in an accident, can we at least stop encouraging others to ignore their vehicle's ratings?

 

[Zachanadandy]

Oh no, I get it. You got lost on the forum. It happens.

Can’t take a little razzing? It’s all in good fun.

Don't mind at all, which is why I ignored the 1st post about resurrected threads. I figured the 2nd one meant you wanted a discussion?

 

[MTB58]

You can change gearing, which will definitely help with 37's but Payload is usually the limiting factor in almost all towing.

I have a Max tow with increased payload @ 1600 lbs, tow a Jayco 18rbm which weighs 5100 lbs loaded, truck bed has my recovery gear, firewood, generator and misc MTB gear, full tank of gas, 400lbs between 2 people, no upgrades except for Mojave wheels, Rubicon rock rails and we are maxed out on Payload, also the trucks gvwr.

No mater what I have towed in the past and no matter what truck I have had, we have always been at the top of, or slightly over payload. Ram 2500 to a Jeep JKU, Small teardrop to a fifth wheel it has always come down to payload.

I would bet your vehicle will be over payload with just your upgrades, 2 people and a full tank of gas and nothing in the bed of your truck.

Safe travels.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Okay bud!

Whether or not you think overloading is a liability in an accident, can we at least stop encouraging others to ignore their vehicle's ratings?

I wouldn't say outright ignore, but obsessing over it? I'll continue to encourage people to not worry about a couple hundred pounds either way as it simply doesn't matter.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

I wouldn't say outright ignore, but obsessing over it? I'll continue to encourage people to not worry about a couple hundred pounds either way as it simply doesn't matter.

Agreed.

The folks who get pissy over it are likely the same folks who have ducks lining their dash, phone mounts suctioned to their windscreen obstructing view, drive without headlights during the rain or fog saying "I have DRL and automatic lights!", let their toy poodle stand on their lap while driving, and don't use their signals until the last second of a turn while moving their tires back over the line into traffic.

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