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[Billy Bones]

I live in an Apple ecosystem at work and home. All the "smart" TV's in the market come with Google OS installed. The first thing I do when I buy a new TV is buy an Apple TV 4K for it and put the factory TV remote in a drawer someplace. It wakes up, configures itself and I'm done.

My desk MAC is my house server and everyone in my house has at least one iPhone and one iPad. My wife is in the website management and graphics business and you could not pay her to use anything but her MacBook Pro for her work. My company gives me a free Dell laptop every year which is so saddled up with layers of restrictions and locks to avoid hacking and viruses that it's barely usable. I do all my work on my MAC (which has NEVER experienced a virus or hack) and then email my files to the DELL when they are done. did I mention I HATE MICROSOFT WITH A PASSION THAT BURNS AT HELL TEMPERATURES!!!

I agree. I’ve been forced to swing both ways. I use my Mac at home but had to use my Dell at work. The MS OS is one of the most complicated systems on the planet, I believe by design to force users to comply with their wants. Another reason I don’t like MS is the leadership at top, Google is the same. Too convoluted to allow users to do what they want to do and forcing them into branches they probably wouldn’t want to go if the user really knew the control that is being forced on them. As long as Apple continues to stick to their design on their devices and interfaces I will be a customer.

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[WambliSka]

I agree. I’ve been forced to swing both ways. I use my Mac at home but had to use my Dell at work. The MS OS is one of the most complicated systems on the planet, I believe by design to force users to comply with their wants. Another reason I don’t like MS is the leadership at top, Google is the same. Too convoluted to allow users to do what they want to do and forcing them into branches they probably wouldn’t want to go if the user really knew the control that is being forced on them. As long as Apple continues to stick to their design on their devices and interfaces I will be a customer.

And I'll drop off this derail after this...

You can not ignore the financial aspect. I buy my MACs and Mac Books new, same with my iPads. Run them for 6-8 years for computers and 3-4 for iPads and the operating systems and firmware is current and full featured and the hardware is still great and running flawlessly. The cases are metal and they clean up to looking brand new. Same with my iPhones. Every time I'm scheduled for an upgrade with my carrier I jump on it and then sell my old one on eBay.

I don't give these away price wise, I sell these devices for a good amount of money to the next generation that don't mind a previously loved device. School teachers in particular FLOCK to buy my used Apple computers and iPad devices and the phones sell QUICK on eBay bringing in $500-$600 after a two year life with me.

By contrast, my company buys Dell laptops, we replace them every couple of years because the hardware fails (most of us travel a lot and that is a hard life for a laptop) and it's not cost effective to fix them or devices or firmware stops being supported. After that we can't even donate them and since my company does not want them back, I usually give them away or give them to someone to recycle, there is no market for a 4 year old windows laptop. And most of our executives basically never touch their laptops, we carry our personal iPad Pros with us when we travel.

 

[Billy Bones]

And I'll drop off this derail after this...

You can not ignore the financial aspect. I buy my MACs and Mac Books new, same with my iPads. Run them for 6-8 years for computers and 3-4 for iPads and the operating systems and firmware is current and full featured and the hardware is still great and running flawlessly. The cases are metal and they clean up to looking brand new. Same with my iPhones. Every time I'm scheduled for an upgrade with my carrier I jump on it and then sell my old one on eBay.

I don't give these away price wise, I sell these devices for a good amount of money to the next generation that don't mind a previously loved device. School teachers in particular FLOCK to buy my used Apple computers and iPad devices and the phones sell QUICK on eBay bringing in $500-$600 after a two year life with me.

By contrast, my company buys Dell laptops, we replace them every couple of years because the hardware fails (most of us travel a lot and that is a hard life for a laptop) and it's not cost effective to fix them or devices or firmware stops being supported. After that we can't even donate them and since my company does not want them back, I usually give them away or give them to someone to recycle, there is no market for a 4 year old windows laptop. And most of our executives basically never touch their laptops, we carry our personal iPad Pros with us when we travel.

I think another reason Dell computers wear out quicker is because of the millions of additional CPU executions built into the MSOS to run basically the same programs that the Mac uses much less for. It’s a complicated system and processes.

 

[WambliSka]

I think another reason Dell computers wear out quicker is because of the millions of additional CPU executions built into the MSOS to run basically the same programs that the Mac uses much less for. It’s a complicated system and processes.

Ok, this is a fun conversation even if it means noting to the OP. I've worked on operating systems internals and the funniest thing I've ever seen was a patch with a comment from a code jockey that said: "The code I inserted here is ABSOLUTE SHIT and I don't know WHY it works, but it does, DO NOT REMOVE THIS CODE!!!"

I think that is endemic in the OSs that rule the world today. Billions of lines of code that no one remembers why they were applied and the patched and then fixed on top of each other. And the only thing that saves us is cheap memory and ultra fast processors. When I started life as a hardware programmer coding in Assembler Language, both processor speed and memory came at a premium so you never added without cleaning up. That skill is long lost...

 

[Billy Bones]

Ok, this is a fun conversation even if it means noting to the OP. I've worked on operating systems internals and the funniest thing I've ever seen was a patch with a comment from a code jockey that said: "The code I inserted here is ABSOLUTE SHIT and I don't know WHY it works, but it does, DO NOT REMOVE THIS CODE!!!"

I think that is endemic in the OSs that rule the world today. Billions of lines of code that no one remembers why they were applied and the patched and then fixed on top of each other. And the only thing that saves us is cheap memory and ultra fast processors. When I started life as a hardware programmer coding in Assembler Language, both processor speed and memory came at a premium so you never added without cleaning up. That skill is long lost...

Ha ha! I’ve seen the same. The world of coding and coders isn’t all serious, some of us have a sense of humor. I have a lot of respect for coders in assembly language, it’s an art that was lost a long time ago when compilers came along but assembly is still used just not as much and in smaller applications. This thread has been fun.

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