TODO: Request Better MT Towing Capacity From Jeep

[Malarkey21]

@Cordless there was a video that came out after I posted. Like @WXman said, it has to do with the clutch. about 12 min in.



Thank you savage geese for the best gladiator review lol.

I think its important to note that the towing numbers are the result of a extreme test, so if you have a manual im guessing you can absolutely throw 7000 lbs on it and tool around. but you will not make it up at 5 % grade at 110 degrees. Everyone is all about upgrades so I'd add a nice new twin disc or ceramic disc clutch to that list too.

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[Cordless]

@Cordless there was a video that came out after I posted. Like @WXman said, it has to do with the clutch. about 12 min in.



Thank you savage geese for the best gladiator review lol.

I think its important to note that the towing numbers are the result of a extreme test, so if you have a manual im guessing you can absolutely throw 7000 lbs on it and tool around. but you will not make it up at 5 % grade at 110 degrees. Everyone is all about upgrades so I'd add a nice new twin disc or ceramic disc clutch to that list too.

now why wouldn't you add that as a max tow manual package and just give us the rating from factory ... like wtf? I would pay the difference of like what 1500 to 2500 $$$ compared to automatic tow package... get my drift whos with me on that?

 

[WXman]

now why wouldn't you add that as a max tow manual package and just give us the rating from factory ... like wtf? I would pay the difference of like what 1500 to 2500 $$$ compared to automatic tow package... get my drift whos with me on that?

I get ya' but they're already using the automatic. It's already mass produced for lots of FCA vehicles across the board. So the true difference in cost to them would be greater to develop, test, and produce a new clutch friction material, pressure plate, and flywheel that meets SAE standards and upsell it to the public when all the market research says the "take rate" on that particular option would be super low.

In most cases, manual transmission sales alone only make up a small fraction (sometimes as little as 5%) of sales, let alone a one-off sub-option within that small fraction. It's just not feasible for an automaker to do that.

Of course the end-user can do it, and then tow 7,000 lbs. with the manual just fine. But the issue you run into then is that legal GCWR still stays the same at 4,000 lbs.

 

[WRE]

I don't believe GCWR is typically on a door sticker. Neither of my trucks list a GCWR anywhere on the truck, but they are older so maybe this has changed. Can someone post a gladiator door sticker nd she'd some light on this?

So let's go with the idea that there is no GCWR on the door sticker. If that's the case, then to be legal you have to stay within three limits
1. The GVWR. This is the weight of the truck, plus cargo, plus trailer tongue weight.
2. The class of your license. Your typical license limits you to towing 10k pounds in a bumper pull configuration.
3. The GCWR listed on your registration. In most states, you can pay to have this increased.

So my thought is, go buy a manual gladiator and load up a 7k pound trailer. Put a few miles on it, then go buy the truck you need to comfortably pull 7k pounds. The reality is that the gladiator, is light, narrow, short, and has a soft off road suspension. It was designed to do many things, and does many of them well, but it's not an f250

edit: I just checked my registration and couldn't find any GCWR

 

[megamucho]

Honesty if towing is that big of a deal for anyone, they should skip on mid-sized trucks and go for full sized. Mid-sized trucks are made to tow stuff like open a utility trailer that can carry a couple of atvs, a side-by-side, couple of motorcycle, ski jets and small boat.

Personally I tow two or three track bikes on a 12 foot trailer so my MT I have coming is going to be more than enough.

Can't agree more! Bike hauling and limited small rural property needs are in my towing future. I'd get a RAM if there were more intense towing use cases for me.

 

[bruno747]

Just a thought to some conspiracy theory to this thread.

Don't think for a second that putting the same mt from the jl into the jt wasn't a carefully considered choice.

Guarantee you one of the "bonuses" the bean counter are counting on is that given the lower tow rating the take rate will be even lower than normal mt take rate is. As such I guarantee you they fully plan to use this as an excuse to not offer one with the next revision of the gladiator possibly even jl.

Digging into the aisin D478,I found it was based off of another aisin. A6 if I remember right. The transmission this is based off of has 3 available torque input ratings. The highest of which would easily handle the diesel as well as the tow ratings.

Again the choice not to consider another build of that model trans for the JT was not just to save costs by using the same from the JL it's another attempt to minimize take rates through artificial limitations so they can use that as an excuse to go all auto only.

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