about given up on AlfaOBD

[ShadowsPapa]

Warning to 2022 and later Jeep models - AlfaOBD won't work. It can't read your BCM or PCM.
I've tried to get some sort of response on if they even plan on any support - so far nothing.
We're already well into the 2023 model year and they haven't even touched the 2022 model year yet.
Does anyone have any insight into this?
I'm about ready to scrap it and find something else - but so far, nothing else gives the same reports AlfaOBD did, and their logging is superior.
JSCAN logs are a disaster, full of dozens of blank lines and the format is a more complex CSV type structure, not a nice clean easy to read text log. For example, if you tell it to read the BCM, it takes forever - you must manually tell it to check all PIDs and then when it gives you a report, it's full of spaces and multiple entries for each item.

Looks like we need a new software tool!

Very disappointed in AlfaOBD.

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[Idlethunder]

I've been pestering him every month with email hoping to get the 22 JT added but as you know it hasn't helped. It is a little early this month but I'll send him another in a minute. The last reply from Alexey was on Oct 21 and is pasted below:

Sorry not yet, it’s in plans but I can’t promise at the moment…
Regards
Alexey

 

[Gvsukids]

Warning to 2022 and later Jeep models - AlfaOBD won't work. It can't read your BCM or PCM.
I've tried to get some sort of response on if they even plan on any support - so far nothing.
We're already well into the 2023 model year and they haven't even touched the 2022 model year yet.
Does anyone have any insight into this?
I'm about ready to scrap it and find something else - but so far, nothing else gives the same reports AlfaOBD did, and their logging is superior.
JSCAN logs are a disaster, full of dozens of blank lines and the format is a more complex CSV type structure, not a nice clean easy to read text log. For example, if you tell it to read the BCM, it takes forever - you must manually tell it to check all PIDs and then when it gives you a report, it's full of spaces and multiple entries for each item.

Looks like we need a new software tool!

Very disappointed in AlfaOBD.

Time to switch to the Tazer dark side?

 

[ATL_Rubi]

I can only assume that if 2022 is not functional, 2023 is also not functional. Sweet.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Time to switch to the Tazer dark side?

That's akin to switching to a screwdriver when the ratchet gives out, though. I'm looking for logging, diagnostics, something simple and menu driven.
Not looking for a leave in place thing to change the way the locks work or any live features nor anything costing several hundred dollars.

AlfaOBD can give things like this -

___________________________
2021/01/04 11:52:06.281
Faults found.
P0303
Error code: P0303
Cylinder 3 ignition failures
Test not complete
Error intermittent
Error warning lamp not requested
CARB Freeze Frame:
___________________
Fault code: P0303
PCM Mileage since MIL On: 0.00 miles
PCM Odometer: 950.27 miles
Open Loop - Bank 1: No
Closed Loop - Bank 1: Yes
Open Loop due to Driving Conditions - Bank 1: No
Open Loop with DTC - Bank 1: No
Closed Loop with DTC - Bank 1: No
Open Loop - Bank 2: No
Closed Loop - Bank 2: No
Open Loop due to Driving Conditions - Bank 2: No
Open Loop with DTC - Bank 2: No
Closed Loop with DTC - Bank 2: No
Engine load: 30.20 %
Freeze Frame Engine Coolant Temp: 66.00 Deg.C
Intake Air Temperature: 215.00 Deg.C
Ambient Air Temperature: 12.00 Deg.C
Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1: 12.49 %
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1: -3.13 %
Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2: 9.37 %
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2: -7.04 %
MAP Voltage: 1.96 V
MAP: 46 kPa
Atmospheric pressure: 97 kPa
Engine RPM: 875.00 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 MPH
Throttle Position Sensor 1 Percent: 12.94 %
Battery voltage: 14.58 V
Fuel level: 95.69 %
Purge Solenoid Current: 0.00 mA
Purge Duty Cycle: 0.00 %
Idle Air Control (IAC) Current: 0.00 mA
Idle Air Control (IAC) Duty Cycle: 0.00 %
EGR Flow: 0.00 g/s
Current Adaptive Cell ID: 24
Spark advance: -2.00 Deg
AC Clutch: Disengaged
EGR Gassed Flowing: No
Power Steering High Pressure: No
AC Switch: Off
PRNDL in Gear: No
Brake switch: Pressed
Low Ethanol PWR Enrich Flag: No
Low Ethanol Therm Management Flag: No
Ethanol Gas For Sure: No
Ethanol Mode: No
Ethanol - 0% Blend Direction: No
Ethanol - 85% Blend Direction: No
Ethanol - Open Loop Fuelling: No
Ethanol Fine Tune Complete Previous: No
Ethanol Fuel Volume Changed: No
Ethanol Low Fuel: No
Ethanol Trigger On Fuel Volume Fault: No
Ethanol Trigger During Learn: No
Ethanol Learn: Disabled
Ethanol Course Update Ready to Learn: No
Ethanol Course Update: Not completed
Ethanol Fine Tune: Not completed
Actual Torque: 0.84 Nm
Potential Torque: 78.16 Nm
Target throttle position: 2.56 V
Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Motor Directional Duty Cycle: -20.67 %DC
Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Motor Duty Cycle: 20.67 %DC
Throttle position sensor 1: 2.58 V
Throttle position sensor 2: 17.42 V
Accelerator pedal sensor 10.44 V
Accelerator pedal sensor 20.22 V
Accelerator pedal position: 0.00 %
Brake switch 1: Released
Brake switch 2: Released
H-Bridge Circuit: Enabled
Ignition Run/Start Switch: On
Throttle Flow Adaptive: 0.13 g/s
Throttle Flow Multiplicative Adaptive: 2.00
PHI Adaptation Value: 0.00
Calculated MAP: 46.59 kPa
Ethanol Percent: 0.00 %
Turbo Boost Timer: 0.00 ms
Throttle Inlet Pressure: 0.00 kPa
Throttle Inlet Pressure Voltage: 320.34 V
Turbo Airport Mass Flow: 3.45 g/s
Turbo PRatio: 1.00
Turbo Torque Count: 0
Turbo Speed: 65535 rpm
Turbo Wastegate Duty Cycle: 200.01 %DC
Time since Run/Start: 45 sec
___________________

Or this -


Crank Limp Home Status:
Crank Wrong Sensor Detected: No
Crank Channel Enabled: Crank Channel Is Enabled
Crank System Fault and in Limp-Home Mode: No
Intermittent Crank Limp In: No
Crank Signal Missing: No
Crank Sync State: Out of Sync
Crank Unlock Interrupt has occurred: No
Crank unlock in RUN mode: Crank Has Not Unlocked In Run Mode
Two or three crank pulses detected: No
ESS Allow Engine OFF status:
Transmission OK: Yes
Tow/Haul OK: Yes
Intelligent Battery Sensor (Q): No
Intelligent Battery Sensor (V): Yes
Intelligent Battery Sensor OK: Yes
Pedal OK: Yes
HVAC OK: Yes
Engine Oil Temperature OK: Yes
Hood OK: Yes
Grade Check OK: Yes
Fuel Level OK: Yes
ESP OK: Yes
Engine Runtime OK: Yes
4WD Low OK: Yes
Transmission Configuration OK: No
Parking Management OK: Yes
Ambient Temp OK: Yes
Steering Conditions OK: Yes

JSCAN is ok but their logging sucks. It's horrible. Great for live data, or making system changes, but terrible for logging the diagnostics.

 

[Idlethunder]

That's akin to switching to a screwdriver when the ratchet gives out, though. I'm looking for logging, diagnostics, something simple and menu driven.
Not looking for a leave in place thing to change the way the locks work or any live features nor anything costing several hundred dollars.

AlfaOBD can give things like this -

___________________________
2021/01/04 11:52:06.281
Faults found.
P0303
Error code: P0303
Cylinder 3 ignition failures
Test not complete
Error intermittent
Error warning lamp not requested
CARB Freeze Frame:
___________________
Fault code: P0303
PCM Mileage since MIL On: 0.00 miles
PCM Odometer: 950.27 miles
Open Loop - Bank 1: No
Closed Loop - Bank 1: Yes
Open Loop due to Driving Conditions - Bank 1: No
Open Loop with DTC - Bank 1: No
Closed Loop with DTC - Bank 1: No
Open Loop - Bank 2: No
Closed Loop - Bank 2: No
Open Loop due to Driving Conditions - Bank 2: No
Open Loop with DTC - Bank 2: No
Closed Loop with DTC - Bank 2: No
Engine load: 30.20 %
Freeze Frame Engine Coolant Temp: 66.00 Deg.C
Intake Air Temperature: 215.00 Deg.C
Ambient Air Temperature: 12.00 Deg.C
Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1: 12.49 %
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1: -3.13 %
Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2: 9.37 %
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2: -7.04 %
MAP Voltage: 1.96 V
MAP: 46 kPa
Atmospheric pressure: 97 kPa
Engine RPM: 875.00 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 MPH
Throttle Position Sensor 1 Percent: 12.94 %
Battery voltage: 14.58 V
Fuel level: 95.69 %
Purge Solenoid Current: 0.00 mA
Purge Duty Cycle: 0.00 %
Idle Air Control (IAC) Current: 0.00 mA
Idle Air Control (IAC) Duty Cycle: 0.00 %
EGR Flow: 0.00 g/s
Current Adaptive Cell ID: 24
Spark advance: -2.00 Deg
AC Clutch: Disengaged
EGR Gassed Flowing: No
Power Steering High Pressure: No
AC Switch: Off
PRNDL in Gear: No
Brake switch: Pressed
Low Ethanol PWR Enrich Flag: No
Low Ethanol Therm Management Flag: No
Ethanol Gas For Sure: No
Ethanol Mode: No
Ethanol - 0% Blend Direction: No
Ethanol - 85% Blend Direction: No
Ethanol - Open Loop Fuelling: No
Ethanol Fine Tune Complete Previous: No
Ethanol Fuel Volume Changed: No
Ethanol Low Fuel: No
Ethanol Trigger On Fuel Volume Fault: No
Ethanol Trigger During Learn: No
Ethanol Learn: Disabled
Ethanol Course Update Ready to Learn: No
Ethanol Course Update: Not completed
Ethanol Fine Tune: Not completed
Actual Torque: 0.84 Nm
Potential Torque: 78.16 Nm
Target throttle position: 2.56 V
Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Motor Directional Duty Cycle: -20.67 %DC
Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Motor Duty Cycle: 20.67 %DC
Throttle position sensor 1: 2.58 V
Throttle position sensor 2: 17.42 V
Accelerator pedal sensor 10.44 V
Accelerator pedal sensor 20.22 V
Accelerator pedal position: 0.00 %
Brake switch 1: Released
Brake switch 2: Released
H-Bridge Circuit: Enabled
Ignition Run/Start Switch: On
Throttle Flow Adaptive: 0.13 g/s
Throttle Flow Multiplicative Adaptive: 2.00
PHI Adaptation Value: 0.00
Calculated MAP: 46.59 kPa
Ethanol Percent: 0.00 %
Turbo Boost Timer: 0.00 ms
Throttle Inlet Pressure: 0.00 kPa
Throttle Inlet Pressure Voltage: 320.34 V
Turbo Airport Mass Flow: 3.45 g/s
Turbo PRatio: 1.00
Turbo Torque Count: 0
Turbo Speed: 65535 rpm
Turbo Wastegate Duty Cycle: 200.01 %DC
Time since Run/Start: 45 sec
___________________

Or this -


Crank Limp Home Status:
Crank Wrong Sensor Detected: No
Crank Channel Enabled: Crank Channel Is Enabled
Crank System Fault and in Limp-Home Mode: No
Intermittent Crank Limp In: No
Crank Signal Missing: No
Crank Sync State: Out of Sync
Crank Unlock Interrupt has occurred: No
Crank unlock in RUN mode: Crank Has Not Unlocked In Run Mode
Two or three crank pulses detected: No
ESS Allow Engine OFF status:
Transmission OK: Yes
Tow/Haul OK: Yes
Intelligent Battery Sensor (Q): No
Intelligent Battery Sensor (V): Yes
Intelligent Battery Sensor OK: Yes
Pedal OK: Yes
HVAC OK: Yes
Engine Oil Temperature OK: Yes
Hood OK: Yes
Grade Check OK: Yes
Fuel Level OK: Yes
ESP OK: Yes
Engine Runtime OK: Yes
4WD Low OK: Yes
Transmission Configuration OK: No
Parking Management OK: Yes
Ambient Temp OK: Yes
Steering Conditions OK: Yes

JSCAN is ok but their logging sucks. It's horrible. Great for live data, or making system changes, but terrible for logging the diagnostics.

He wrote back this morning so I'll paste his reply below. I sent him a follow up asking what information he is short and will report back. I have no doubt it will be over my head but maybe someone here will be able to help.


David, sorry for the delay with that but it takes time because I’m still missing data for the 2022 model. Hope to get it soon…

Regards,

Alexey

 

[ShadowsPapa]

He wrote back this morning so I'll paste his reply below. I sent him a follow up asking what information he is short and will report back. I have no doubt it will be over my head but maybe someone here will be able to help.


David, sorry for the delay with that but it takes time because I’m still missing data for the 2022 model. Hope to get it soon…

Regards,

Alexey

I offered to try to gather data from my 2022 if if was the sort of data I could gather and log - I'd have to use JSCAN or one of the other apps I have that actually works with the JT 2022.
I'll do a complete dump of any module he needs IF that is what's needed.
It could be there's proprietary PIDs that are used that he hasn't got the info for. Jeep's codes aren't all standard stuff.
Maybe that's not what he's after........ ?

 

[Idlethunder]

I offered to try to gather data from my 2022 if if was the sort of data I could gather and log - I'd have to use JSCAN or one of the other apps I have that actually works with the JT 2022.
I'll do a complete dump of any module he needs IF that is what's needed.
It could be there's proprietary PIDs that are used that he hasn't got the info for. Jeep's codes aren't all standard stuff.
Maybe that's not what he's after........ ?

He has been pretty good about replying to email so hopefully he will let one of us know what he needs. I will update this when he responds

 

[ShadowsPapa]

He has been pretty good about replying to email so hopefully he will let one of us know what he needs. I will update this when he responds

I was impressed by the quick response......

 

[Idlethunder]

I was impressed by the quick response......

Except for August, he has replied to every email within 24 hours and that reply only took a few days. Those replies were only to questions asking when the software would be updated for 22 models and his replies were always a single sentence saying he is working on it but can’t make any promises. The last one I sent asked the more technical question of what data he needs to update the program and if I can provide any of the information. I am worried that it might be more than he wants to take on but hopefully he will let us know

 

[Idlethunder]

I was impressed by the quick response......

Alexey wrote back this morning but the data he needs is beyond my capability. Point and click or copy and paste I can do but much more than that and I am not much help. His reply is below.

David,
I’m looking for the internal Jeep data, which describes the request-response sequences for the scanning of the car parameters. Hope to have it soon ?
Regards,
Alexey

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