More runaround on the 4xe transmission

[Lost1wing]

That mirrors a lot I deal with in Aviation working in Engineering. There is some shotgunning but there comes a point were it is more cost advantageous to replace the whole major assembly and let the supplier or repair facility figure out the problem and what sub-assembly part is the cause. I deal with it a lot on air conditioning packs.

I had to go to an island to work on a scare bus. Slats only half speed with faults. The fault was a dead computer that was flagged from the other good computer. The higher ups said just toss a computer at it and get it back to the USA. Well that didn't work. 8 hours later we had another computer and we had found a shorted wire. Unfortunately, it was in a gearbox. The gearbox needed to be replace. I ordered the gearbox and took the next flight home. My replacements didn't read the logbook or do any testing. They swapped computers, putting the bad one in the good side and the good computer in the bad side, destroying it. They reported back to the higher ups stating I was wrong and the entire slat system is inop. They were told to get on the next flight home. Their replacements replaced the gearbox and two computers. This expanded the job by three days.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I thought for SURE they were going to add the RTV sealant without telling you and say “we found a burr and filed it down” or similar, and it would be up to you to prove. Now the questions are how long the warranty is on your refurb transmission… and how the dealer service logs have been imprinted on your Carfax to the point it reduced your sellable value (ie, it’ll look like a lemon).

That carfax stuff is way overblown - making it less reliable is that not all shops even bother reporting it. It's not mandatory.
On the other hand, having a transmission or engine replaced under warranty won't diminish value - anyone looking at a used vehicle will see a newer transmission with fewer miles - why be afraid or pay less? Carfax is a bunch of crap, IMO. You should see how dealers here enter things in the maintenance logs - my bet, they don't even use carfax, it's not required of anyone, it's purely voluntary. When I had the rocker panels replaced on my WJ and then months later sold it, the body repairs never showed up.
If I saw a Jeep for sale at 30,000 miles but it had a transmission replaced at 10,000 miles, I'd be fine knowing the transmission had fewer miles. Doesn't make the vehicle a lemon and any logical person would see that.

The warranty is the same as the original. Any MOPAR parts will either have their own warranty, or inherit the remaining warranty of the truck.
Since that transmission is a main component of the hybrid system, it will take on the 80,000 mile warranty. It's sort of like installing a MOPAR trailer brake controller in a new JT - off the shelf it has 2 years, but the truck has 3 years, so the brake controller becomes part of the truck and gets whatever is left of the 3 years.

My real concern isn't so much "it's covered" but - knowing that so far I have not found any Jeep owner who has said that their dealer has successfully sealed one of these that leaks - how will these go through the remanufacturing process?
Most folks don't know reman from brand new so it's no biggy to 99.99% of the population.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

That carfax stuff is way overblown

I view it as a stricter-than-necessary filter that might throw some babies out with the bathwater, and might totally ignore some others, but is more information than I'd otherwise have when buying a used car (dealers will sell anything now, it's not like the old days when used from a dealer meant something). My wife bought a 2019 vehicle this spring and I saw a few cars with dealer service tied to electrical, over a period of months, then traded in. I did NOT want one of those cars with an electrical ghost you'll chase and not find-- that's why they got fed up and traded it in. Sure, that's not a transmission, but why buy a dog that bit a bunch of people yet hasn't in a few years? Plenty of other dogs out there. Might be the best dog now, but you'll have it 10 years, let someone else take a chance. Sounds mean typing it when it's a dog! Sounds fair to this brain when it's a car built by people (remember the old "don't buy a Friday car?") I got my Subaru from a dealer and was happy to see it in for every single thing for tire rotations, detailings, oil changes, etc., all the way through its first few years of life (by an old WWII vet, they told me; everything was by the book, literally-- owners manual had checkmarks on all the service work timelines). Felt good buying that one. Back to the original point, a former coworker got rear ended the first week he had his car, and after much work was successful in getting the other driver's insurance to pay out for a diminished value claim even though the car was not totaled, due to the fact he now had "vehicle in an accident" on his Carfax. That's what got me thinking about this.

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

I had to go to an island to work on a scare bus. Slats only half speed with faults. The fault was a dead computer that was flagged from the other good computer. The higher ups said just toss a computer at it and get it back to the USA. Well that didn't work. 8 hours later we had another computer and we had found a shorted wire. Unfortunately, it was in a gearbox. The gearbox needed to be replace. I ordered the gearbox and took the next flight home. My replacements didn't read the logbook or do any testing. They swapped computers, putting the bad one in the good side and the good computer in the bad side, destroying it. They reported back to the higher ups stating I was wrong and the entire slat system is inop. They were told to get on the next flight home. Their replacements replaced the gearbox and two computers. This expanded the job by three days.

so im googling scare bus and slat system, trying to figure out what you were working on.

 

[Lost1wing]

A320 slat system will be faster on a Google search. Trade nickname is scare bus. If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

A320 slat system will be faster on a Google search. Trade nickname is scare bus. If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.

are you sure it isnt this?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Back to the original point, a former coworker got rear ended the first week he had his car, and after much work was successful in getting the other driver's insurance to pay out for a diminished value claim even though the car was not totaled, due to the fact he now had "vehicle in an accident" on his Carfax. That's what got me thinking about this.

If the shop that did the work even turned it in. Insurance companies may - there's been "reports" of that but so far it's just what people claim on the internet
Like I said - there's no requirement, it's up to individual shops. Dealers often do - but don't have to and seeing how they write work orders, i'd prefer they not. You can't tell if they even did anything when a repair is written as "inspect electric system" for a CANBus issue that they resolved. What the heck is inspect electric system?

With the reporting systems you often have to read between the lines and the experts say - do not rely on just carfax - use the other reporting systems as well. Some of those get things carfax does not, and sometimes the information is like a puzzle.
My problem with it is - you see what was written in by people who aren't technical writers, or are in a hurry, or just toss in "straightened frame" when it was a simple ding where the bumper mounted and was fixed with a big crescent wrench. That's what's bad about it. It's not facts, it's what and how people write things in, IF they write things in. You just don't know. So me - I only use it if it's plain and clear exactly what was going on, much I ignore. I've worked with "techs"/"mechanics" for too many years to take every word written seriously. I use the pieces and build a picture instead.

As far as devaluing based on carfax - I rarely sell a vehicle - it's a pain in the ass, tire kickers, whiners, people who don't actually transfer the title until months later. I sold my 2011 Silverado to a dealer for almost what KBB said I could get for it. Screw that selling to jerks who want to low-ball you or maybe shouldn't even be driving.
(last car I sold was sold sight-unseen to a guy in Texas, for exactly my asking price - the history of that car was all over the internet and people were lined up to buy it.)

so im googling scare bus and slat system, trying to figure out what you were working on.

Let me know when you figure it out

 

[Lost1wing]

are you sure it isnt this?

Pilot and autopilot were not communicating together. Scare bus!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Pilot and autopilot were not communicating together. Scare bus!

Ah, like a married couple.

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