If anyone is curious if a Gladiator starts in -40...

[Rocksalt]

Sorry- wind chill is a human temperature PERCEPTION. It is based on the chilling effect, evaporative effects, etc.

A quote from wikipedia =
All the formulas attempt to qualitatively predict the effect of wind on the temperature humans perceive.

A bottle can NOT be cooled to below what the actual air temperature is because wind across an inanimate object cannot be colder than the air that is flowing.
So if it's -20 outside, the bottle, radiator, bumper, bolt, whatever, can never be below -20 degrees.
For humans - it's PERCEPTION - how cold does it FEEL. A bottle can't "feel cold". It can only be cooled as low as the actual air because air that is colder than the bottle, radiator or bolt is removing heat energy. Once an equilibrium has been reached, there can be no further energy transfer.

Ask a meteorologist.......... among my interests are the earth sciences, meteorology, physics, psychology, etc. I'm quoting these other sites because as often happens, seems I have to prove it -

Here is a quote from a meteorology site - word for word -

The only effect wind chill has on inanimate objects, such as car radiators and water pipes, is to more quickly cool the object to cool to the current air temperature. Object will NOT cool below the actual air temperature.

yeah wikipedia lol

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[ShadowsPapa]

bullshit explain how it slushed up 90 proof whiskey in plus teens temp...

So you are saying that ISU, all of the other meteorology schools, the meteorology sites, WIKIPEDIA and our earth sciences teacher are all full of BS?

Look it up - you'll get dozens of hits all saying the same thing - human perception, does not apply to inanimate objects.
Don't take my word for it.
Go for it - argue all you want with scientists who developed the wind chill idea and those who wrote those web sites I quoted.

I stand with science...... (and my son who went to meteorology school until he decided to change majors)
(I was a straight A science student if that matters)

A bottle of whisky cannot be any colder than the air around it. (unless you have a wet cloth around it - then the act of the wind evaporating the water from the cloth causes a cooling effect)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

yeah wikipedia lol

One quote was, the other was from a weather science site - you missed that, eh?

 

[Rocksalt]

So you are saying that ISU, all of the other meteorology schools, the meteorology sites, WIKIPEDIA and our earth sciences teacher are all full of BS?

Look it up - you'll get dozens of hits all saying the same thing - human perception, does not apply to inanimate objects.
Don't take my word for it.
Go for it - argue all you want with scientists who developed the wind chill idea and those who wrote those web sites I quoted.

I stand with science...... (and my son who went to meteorology school until he decided to change majors)
(I was a straight A science student if that matters)

A bottle of whisky cannot be any colder than the air around it. (unless you have a wet cloth around it - then the act of the wind evaporating the water from the cloth causes a cooling effect)

moving air over ambient temp water cools it. Ever hear of evaporative cooling? It is real and work in the desert. All I am saying is my 90 proof whiskey bottle slushed up in plus zero temps atop my rig. You explain that chief

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wind chill is not relevant for inanimate objects. The wind chill index combines the cooling effect of air temperature and wind on exposed human skin. The rate at which our bodies lose heat increases as wind speed increases; that's why we feel colder as it gets windier. The wind chill index is the temperature of still air that would remove heat as quickly from exposed human skin as the existing combination of air temperature and wind speed.

Neglecting the effect of evaporative cooling on wet surfaces, our skin (or any inanimate object, for that matter) cannot be cooled below the air temperature. However, the stronger the wind is blowing, the quicker the exposed surface will cool down to the ambient temperature.

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From a science site related to thermodynamics -

Wind chill refers to how fast the body loses heat when exposed to cold temperatures and wind. The colder the temperature and the more wind that's present, the faster body heat is lost. This occurs by the wind chill reducing the external body heat, which eventually causes the internal body heat to decrease. While wind chill does not have this same effect on inanimate objects, it can affect them in varying ways.


Objects and Air Temperature
The National Weather Service Forecast Office explains that objects, such as metal, cannot be cooled beyond the temperature of the air, regardless of wind chill. For example, an inanimate object that is exposed to cold air and low temperatures may become cold rapidly, but unlike people or animals, it is not possible for the inanimate object to be stripped of internal heat.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

moving air over ambient temp water cools it. Ever hear of evaporative cooling? It is real and work in the desert. All I am saying is my 90 proof whiskey bottle slushed up in plus zero temps atop my rig. You explain that chief

I just did - above. Unless your bottle was wrapped in a wet rag, sorry, you are all wet on this one.
Check the sources I quoted above - it can NOT cool below the ambient air temp. The ONLY exception is if it was WET. So unless the bottle was wet or wrapped in a wet rag, even your "evaporative cooling" isn't gonna work.
If it was strapped to the top and not wet, then there is no evaporative cooling as there's nothing to evaporate! Human skin has moisture - thus wind chill.

 

[Rocksalt]

Wind chill is not relevant for inanimate objects. The wind chill index combines the cooling effect of air temperature and wind on exposed human skin. The rate at which our bodies lose heat increases as wind speed increases; that's why we feel colder as it gets windier. The wind chill index is the temperature of still air that would remove heat as quickly from exposed human skin as the existing combination of air temperature and wind speed.

Neglecting the effect of evaporative cooling on wet surfaces, our skin (or any inanimate object, for that matter) cannot be cooled below the air temperature. However, the stronger the wind is blowing, the quicker the exposed surface will cool down to the ambient temperature.

Copyright © 2020, Chicago Tribune

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From a science site related to thermodynamics -

Wind chill refers to how fast the body loses heat when exposed to cold temperatures and wind. The colder the temperature and the more wind that's present, the faster body heat is lost. This occurs by the wind chill reducing the external body heat, which eventually causes the internal body heat to decrease. While wind chill does not have this same effect on inanimate objects, it can affect them in varying ways.


Objects and Air Temperature
The National Weather Service Forecast Office explains that objects, such as metal, cannot be cooled beyond the temperature of the air, regardless of wind chill. For example, an inanimate object that is exposed to cold air and low temperatures may become cold rapidly, but unlike people or animals, it is not possible for the inanimate object to be stripped of internal heat.

well maybe if Hog Farm Iowa gets into 10 degree temps then you go an strap a bottle of whisky to yer roof rack and drive for 8 hours at 65 mph then report back chief

 

[Rocksalt]

I just did - above. Unless your bottle was wrapped in a wet rag, sorry, you are all wet on this one.
Check the sources I quoted above - it can NOT cool below the ambient air temp. The ONLY exception is if it was WET. So unless the bottle was wet or wrapped in a wet rag, even your "evaporative cooling" isn't gonna work.
If it was strapped to the top and not wet, then there is no evaporative cooling as there's nothing to evaporate! Human skin has moisture - thus wind chill.

nope you are wrong

 

[Rocksalt]

I just did - above. Unless your bottle was wrapped in a wet rag, sorry, you are all wet on this one.
Check the sources I quoted above - it can NOT cool below the ambient air temp. The ONLY exception is if it was WET. So unless the bottle was wet or wrapped in a wet rag, even your "evaporative cooling" isn't gonna work.
If it was strapped to the top and not wet, then there is no evaporative cooling as there's nothing to evaporate! Human skin has moisture - thus wind chill.

for 8 hours??? cmon chief

 

[Rocksalt]

not for 20 minutes from Sams Club

 

[ShadowsPapa]

nope you are wrong

And that's it? No resources to back up your claim?
No quotes from science or other sites? Just "you are wrong" and that's it?
You'll argue with a 130+ IQ and straight A science student and meteorologists and all of the sources I posted above.
Guess you win - I ran out of facts to counter all of the "you are wrong" stuff proving how wrong I am LOL

 

[Rocksalt]

And that's it? No resources to back up your claim?
No quotes from science or other sites? Just "you are wrong" and that's it?
You'll argue with a 130+ IQ and straight A science student and meteorologists and all of the sources I posted above.
Guess you win - I ran out of facts to counter all of the "you are wrong" stuff proving how wrong I am LOL

riiighr and no experience

 

[Rocksalt]

And that's it? No resources to back up your claim?
No quotes from science or other sites? Just "you are wrong" and that's it?
You'll argue with a 130+ IQ and straight A science student and meteorologists and all of the sources I posted above.
Guess you win - I ran out of facts to counter all of the "you are wrong" stuff proving how wrong I am LOL

your IQ aside.. do the goddam 8 hoir 65 mph test chief then report back

 

[steffen707]

Coldest day of winter so far, here in Saskatchewan, Canada. -40 is about the same in Fahrenheit as it is Celsius. The Gladiator fires up no problem, but she isn't happy, that's for sure.

Brrrr. Makes our Wisconsin (-2) feel like Florida.

Do our JTs have block heaters?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Brrrr. Makes our Wisconsin (-2) feel like Florida.

Do our JTs have block heaters?

It was an option when you ordered........... not standard.

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