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Check out options with the company I work for. Alloy wheel repair specialists. We have franchise locations in your area and a company owned location in north east Chicagoland. Lifetime warranty on any paint color you want done. It will look good enough that you wont have to worry about changing...

I am with you 100%. I'm good at it but hate it, hate it, hate it. I have been teaching sales people most of my career to sell honestly, to build value and close the sale. So when I deal with a car salespeople I see the worst and I hate it.

As I research with dealers in Atlanta about available vehicles I NEVER give my phone number. They email about wanting my number to talk, when can I stop by and how they would like to make me a deal. When I say I want 7% under factory invoice, I never hear from them again... Things will change...

In the course of my job I go into car dealerships in many different parts of the country. I would say i see about 25% of them using some type ADM. Most common being the add on accessories. Some dealers really hit it hard, others do "packages". All our never worth what they charge.

According to David their computer problems are being worked on. Should be resolved Monday. We will see. :headbang:

She lets me hold it...

Similar, no shoes and fewer teeth.

Same boat. Waiting on Sting Grey. I texted him this morning suggesting his computer problems might be related to unreleased colors. No response so far.

I have so many holes in my wallet it looks like a colander, kids, spouse, pets, toys, you know...life.

If I were to get a towed camper again I would limit to the smaller ultra-lights at 4k lbs or under. I think any larger would be problematic for any long trip. I had a 6500 lb camper that I towed with a full size Tundra. It was not a problem for the Tundra but the gas mileage was horrendous. With...

So far my patience with David is wearing thin. Four days of delays and system problems. He has yet to do one thing he said he would. I'm not in a hurry so I can wait it out. Just sayin...

As you look at the window stickers on all these in-route vehicles they spec very similar with only slight variations. All the Rubicons are body colored hard top but none of the Overlands. Basically they are set up to sell with the most often selected options. Too bad they didn't actually consult...

And still no Overland with color matched roof. All black.

I look at how many JTs are in route everyday to the Atlanta area. Today for the first time 10 of 116 are Sport S models.

David did respond to text.

That's the plan. My credit union runs a deal for refinance at 1-2% under whatever the dealer gives. I have done it twice now.

Thanks. I'm sure there are many places in the south. We should set up a permanent list of locations for reference.

Possible. Emails going back and forth until Saturday afternoon then crickets.

Do a search on the Wrangler forum under Tires and Wheels. Tons of good information. More than you want...

Those Nitto ATs are the perfect look and quality.