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The general consensus on the SoCal dealers is pretty much what you said. There are more scattered reports of a good deal here and there, but most who want a solid, no-haggle price got to Jim Marsh in Vegas. He's even at 15% below msrp on leftover '18 JLs, which is pretty aggressive. The dealer...

The 2 I listed do around 8% below invoice on the JL, so maybe give them a shout when prices come out.

Yeah, he's legit. He sold a ton of JLs at Criswell Jeep before moving to Ourisman. He probably won't address too many questions here, at least until ordering and pricing opens up and he can post his actual deal. You're right, though. Many of the dealers just post the deal info and leave it at...

You'll do as well or better in Nampa/Boise anyway. Petersen's and Dillon's are among the best deals in the country on the JL, so I imagine they'll be the same on the JT. But, Marco @OurismanClarksville definitely rocks it here on the East Coast!

The tailgate cam is standard, as a back-up camera is now required by law. People have actually been relocating the camera to the center of the bumper on the JL when they lift, mount oversized tires or spare delete, as each of these will mess with the angle. I think it's a pretty easy process. If...

The soft top on the JL is too rigid to roll. I realize the JT will have many unique parts, especially with the top being shorter, but I think that shine is just the side of the roll bar and the back of the sport/speaker bar where the sun/shadow hits it at the seams (between plastics/metal). But...

What!?!? No "Bikini"? I know, that's only on the Wrangler, but I like the mental picture created by the phrase "Bikini Gladiator"...

Just so you don't get wet up there on your high horse, it's "drivel", not "dribble".;)

With the JL some dealers were telling people they couldn't order until February of last year, after some forum members had taken delivery. As others have pointed out, sometimes dealers "know" less than us.

One last time, and I'm done with you: In one post, one, I wrote, "$3k is low. Maybe on the Sport. Maybe..." in glib response to Quadratec's estimate. If this is spouting (what are forums for, then?), so be it. My steadfast belief is that it will be more. The only "...crazy price increase..."...

Maybe just not the small ones: "I am open to a lower pricing model, where all trims would be increased $2-3000 over a comparable JL, or 5-7% of the average, full line price."

You are soooooo tedious. No, I posited that in another post to address those who wanted a cheaper, bare bones model, as a possibility: sliding mark-up based on demand/trim, etc. What I'm saying here, and I'll use small words so they'll be easier for you to misquote, is I am open to a lower...

Here's a solid counterpoint to what I've been espousing so far: If Jeep feels that the JL has plateaued, and that 200-220k per year is tenable, then they would be O.K. with the JT getting 50% of its sales from possible JL buyers. If that's the case, then that's good news for pricing. They could...

So, because the Virgin Island rum has me thinking more clearly, I started surfing around. For $57k (the price of a well equipped JLUR and possibly JTR), I could buy a 1987 Jeep Grand Wagoneer in VG condition (badass @$14k), a brand spanking new Triumph Thunderbird Storm (badass@$15k) and a 2019...

Thanks for the Italian Execs insight. I never took into account a possible language/communication issue. I agree about the "expensive" thing. Some people read that as if they will boost the price or artificially inflate it because they can. I have always felt that the "...expensive...

Sorry. The "I know!" was in enthusiastic agreement with you, not that I already knew that.

I know! The "flagship" concept really has me stumped. It's the one bit of logic I can't get around, even though the JL is right there already (base prices are only around $2k apart). Is it a temporary enough situation that they let it slide? First, the Grand Cherokee is due for an...

O.K., Imma simplify my stance, as I feel everything has gotten muddied: "Marchionne said the Jeep pickup will be "expensive; intentionally so" because it is designed as a lifestyle truck that is likely to generate annual sales below 100,000 units. "I'm a natural buyer for that pickup truck, by...

I agree. But we're all at odds as to how much is too much? Where is that fine line between profit margin and volume? If you can control the flow of diamonds, like oil, then you can stoke demand. The rest is Eco 101.

Gotta market a new, mass produced vehicle (kind of?). I will absolutely grant that peeps in AZ have a greater interest in this Jeep, but NO ONE that I know knows anything about the JT, and that includes most dealers I've spoken with (O.K., they know a little). The Super Bowl thing kinda makes a...