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  1. Weight On Front/Counterbalance

    Cash strapped Porsche engineers from the 70s called, they wan't their handling strategy back.
  2. Gupton Motors up to 8% below invoice

    Probably worth bearing in mind, Gupton is not located in a very large market... If they were really good on trade in valuation in addition to their sales strategy, they'd be neck deep in trade ins without anyone to sell to. People aren't exactly known to fly across country for late model used...
  3. rear sway bar yay or nay ?

    The sway bar keeps the body planted. Instead of swaying around over the axles and leaning into curves as you describe, as the weight shifts such that the body wants to lean into one side or the other, the sway bar pulls the opposite, unloaded wheel up (or really, the body down) to match...
  4. rear sway bar yay or nay ?

    You won't notice a huge difference until you find yourself in an emergency handling situation. It's like a seat belt in that you don't really need it until you REALLY need it, and then it had better be there or you'll regret it. It's best left in tact on the road. Off road, a debate can be had...
  5. 2022 Rumors?

    It's like proximity keyless entry. You don't have to dig it out of your pocket, fiddle with cables, whatever else. It's just there and ready to go when you start up the truck. Worth it. EDIT: Initially I said keyless entry, but that's the key fobs. It's like the difference between having to use...
  6. vs FJ45

    My dad sent me a photo of a FJ45 he took the other day. Fresh resto. I don't think they were ever sold here, were they? I had a '72 FJ40 several years ago. It was very good. Made a few K on that one. I needed more of a bed than it had to offer, yet ended up swapping it for a '57 Karmann Ghia...
  7. 2022 Rumors?

    Here's a thought I just had.... I'd really like a 4Xe option. It's almost certainly a winning setup for me. Similarly, UConnect 5 (wireless carplay specifically) is pretty much necessary for me to pull the trigger. If the former doesn't happen, I'll be disappointed and maybe be in less of a...
  8. 2022 Rumors?

    They may be backlogged, but if they stop taking orders, some day down the road the line won't have orders to fill. It's all part of the same system. Every day orders aren't open is a day the line doesn't have vehicles to assemble. Darn. :-)
  9. 2022 Rumors?

    If you assume every minute the line is down costs money (which it does), then the time shouldn't be any longer than it takes to retool for whatever the next model year brings. I have to assume swapping a few hoppers worth of paint doesn't take any time at all. If the worst case scenario is a...
  10. Idea: Group Shipping

    No one thinks this is worthwhile?
  11. Crazy ants - anybody got tips for dealing with them?

    For all the general ant suggestions, crazy ants are a different thing. Invasive species. We don't have anything like this in Colorado. I grew up with fire ants, and they were bad. The ants up here don't even count as ants in my mind. Fewer of them at a time, and they don't bite like crazy. Crazy...
  12. Gupton Motors up to 8% below invoice

    The sheet hasn't been updated for several price adjustments. If you do the math though, the invoice price is 10% lower than MSRP for the options, 5% lower for the two top trims (Rubicon and Mojave), and I forget exactly on the lower trims (it's easy to figure out though). If you're even slightly...
  13. Crazy ants - anybody got tips for dealing with them?

    Like many of the problems associated with living in Texas, the best and most permanent solution is to GTFO. :) -Former Texan
  14. Aftermarket Hood

    This is interesting. The holes are "functional", but I wonder if they're functional... The scoop looks like it opens up on top of the air box (which isn't open there), and the louvres dump or suck from right on top of the engine. What's not known is whether and how much air flow there actually...
  15. Gupton Motors up to 8% below invoice

    If you ask, will they not put the dealer sticker on the tailgate?
  16. What to expect with ordering a 2022?

    https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/2022-rumors.41593/ Have a read.
  17. Sealed up the bed, but not the traditional way.

    What is the advantage of this over more conventional options?
  18. 2022 Rumors?

    A good dealer would. A lot of them would pocket it and not tell you.




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