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I think it's more a matter of how much under invoice. Their business model seems predicated on dispensing with a lot of the typical dealer BS, and part of that is charging people out the nose to be an unnecessary middleman. They take a reasonable profit to eliminate legally mandated friction in...

I don't know that after sales service is really part of their business model. The steep price mentioned there probably reflects that. You're better off breaking it in with the stock setup, then DIY or having an indie shop do it. If warranty is a concern... I guess good luck finding a local...

This is what I'm talking about with the first part of my response above. You already have the information. You are at least as capable as any salesperson of clicking checkboxes on a website. Why would you pay someone thousands of dollars for this? There is zero value added. Money absolutely...

Death throes of a dying industry. Dealerships used to be middlemen that provided information and service. The average salesman knows no more than the average joe, and there's this whole "internet" thing everyone is so excited about, so the information part of the value proposition is completely...

So don't get t-boned. Even lightly.

This is for MY22 JTs?

It's almost certainly not coming from the coil packs themselves. Follow the snail trail to figure out where it's actually coming from. If it's something reasonably accessible, you'll likely be better off just fixing it yourself if it bothers you (would bother me). Dealer probably won't mess with...

Post-strike catchup rushing led to lack of QC. The padding under the leather was all bunched up right under the meat of my thumb on the first, and the trim was wonky. It was like the button pad was pushed into the trim. Second wheel had the same problems, but in different places. Third wheel...

According to the spreadsheet in the ordering sticky (which I have to assume was accurate when it was maintained), MSRP to invoice is ~5% for trim level, and ~10% for options. It varies slightly, but very slightly. So you'd deduct 5% off MSRP, then 1% from the remainder. Again, there's a tilde...

Let me expand a little. The QC issues I experienced were chalked up to the truck having been built immediately after the big strike in 3Q19. Imagine the shitshow you'd leave the lot with under the current state of things.

So... The diesel is more performant in terms of acceleration and such than the gasser, but doesn't get the Mojave treatment due to weight. The 4Xe is a LOT of extra weight. If I had to guess, I'd say that will be explicitly excluded. That said, I'd likely do a 4Xe Rubicon as well. I think I'd...

My dad talked to the Ram dealer he ordered through (mentioned above), and they confirmed the discount is disappearing. He ordered a '22 (already out), but the dealer says they'll take care of it. Personally, I hope they do, but that seems like precisely the sort of trap dealers like to set to...

Not very demanding terrain by the looks of it. Is four wheel drive necessary? Are there any dealers at all? If you're concerned about service, it looks like just about any truck will do for you based on the photos, so that might be the most critical starting point. With the salt, I would think...

It still says the same thing about 1% under invoice for $100 membership as of this second on the TL site.... My dad recently ordered a Cummins 2500 w/ TL. Still awaiting delivery. I pointed him at this, and I imagine I'll get some insight from the Ram angle sometime in the next day or so.

I pre-emptively joined TL for the same reason... That's a bit of a bait and switch... Seems they'd need to honor people who previously exchanged consideration for the promised good/service.

You're completely ignoring advancements in battery chemistry. This is a white hot space right now, with lots of active research ongoing and coming.

To my knowledge, the best deal in the country is Gupton in TN. As far as I can tell, they're the ONLY dealer playing hardball on price with 8% under invoice plus any additional manufacturer incentives. Unfortunately, they're in TN. For more than half the country, that makes the math considerably...

I saw the blue press test truck in the wild. Very dirty, but looked decent. It was turning left or maybe making a u-turn on 285 heading up out of Denver. From the rear and side, it looked good. I barely caught the front in my mirrors. Somehow looks smaller than I expected; possibly due to the...

I've shipped cars hither and yon, but not specifically from Gupton. $1K isn't a bad price if it's an 18 hour drive otherwise. I was thinking the other day... Gupton is the only dealer I'm aware of at all that's doing 8% under invoice reliably. Others will occasionally pop up here and there, and...

Playing around loosely with the old pricing spreadsheet from the sticky, an MSRP of $54,760 (using random options to get close to the number since the price data is outdated) results in an invoice price of $51,703. 8.3% under that is $47,411. Adding $4K back for doc fee and TTL (and rounding)...