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^^ This guy just got promoted to lead detective on the case.

Thanks for the info. Some other person made a thread and pulled speakers out of both - he said they were the same (or extremely similar). From the pictures they are identical though I guess the smallest speakers are slightly bigger.

The speakers between the base and the premium are the same. The premium just as a tiny sub and additional power from the head unit.

WHY HAVE YOU NOT ADDED TUSCARDO? You didnt predict a potential MY22 color back when you started this thread? Shame shame. :CWL:

Im pretty sure they were thinking about the all the benefits of that charity and not about the 10 of us on here clinging to every hint of MY22...:)

Income has gone up from $28k in 1990 to $68k in 2020 - 243% total. Which out paces the vehicles (Honda $10.3 => $19.7, 90% increase).

Go on....... :)

Thats got to be it. 'More than just a color' was the tag line for this new "red" jeep

To be fair, the waiting part does suck, haha. Just follow the order threads and see us people waiting feverishly refreshing the page.

Yup. Add in that some people have solar or other inexpensive ways to charge the battery where as fuel cost are pretty much out of your control.

Base Honda Civic from 1980-1990 was a 250% increase 1990-2000 was a ~28% increase 2000-2010 was a ~21% increase 2010-2020 was a 25% increase F150 80-90 87% 90-00 36% 00-10 16% 10-20 28% My quick google search tells me that your hypothesis is incorrect, using the "standard" vehicles. Prices...

The shortage will be over long before 2025, but the effects of the shortage will linger. As for MSRP raises, I guess that will be easy to spot over the next year. But people on here mention they got "$10k dealer discount" when they bought last year, which has now become a ~$2-5k dealer mark up...

Have you been checking in with them regularly? Did they just get parts today? I ordered on 9/10 and the very first time I checked with them a week later, I was already in "all parts in" status. So I am curious how long this phase is going to last. Also S Max Tow

Its has to be option 2, right? They have to be able to replace the battery (and warranty the new battery).

I dunno, I feel like there has always been a 'Max Tow' type offering for Jeeps that informed shoppers seek out. I helped a friend shop for a Wrangler maybe 10-15 years ago and even at that time getting "max tow" was a popular thing. I dont remember if it had the same name but what ever it was...

Boomer or not, its very clear that the car buying process was stacked in the dealers favor for the past 100 years, until this new generation came in -gave them the middle finger - and made the car buying process 100% easier for consumers. I remember when I started to think about buying my...

Im in your same boat. I am 99% sure I will never tow above the standard 4k nor am I going to add huge tires. That said, the max tow upgrades so many significant parts (electrical, gearing, cooling, etc) that is seemed like a no-brainer. You get 75% of the rubicon for $5-10k less. Not to...

I dont even know what you are trying to say. Are you attempting to suggest that manufactures are not going to take advantage of shortages by raising the MSRP? Because if so, I bet the maximum amount.

Im pretty sure *no* FCA vehicles have it outside of the Pacifica, Ram and Cherokee. So I think there about 10 other models ahead in the pecking order, haha

If you dont like the $3k mark up on Gladiator, you will hate the $25k mark up on Bronco.