Diesel announcement timing

[TennesseePA]

Yes they do but they to are under strict emission controls. Every piece of equipment you buy now must have a Tier 4 emission system.

https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/nonroad.php

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[TennesseePA]

And tankers do not use refined diesel fuel. For the most part, they use unrefined or minimally refined raw petroleum. This is changing in the next few years too. I read that the big tanker ships will be converting to diesel fuel within the next few years. What gave them extended life with dirty fuel was not just an environmental concern. These engines have a very long service life so the new standards had to be implemented slowly to minimize economic hardship on the carriers. And as engines get bigger and bigger efficiency actually increases. I cannot cite the specific article but I remember reading that transporting a gallon of gas from the Middle East to the US costs less than $.02 per gallon. Of course it is unrefined crude but you get my point.

I’m not arguing against your point at all, in fact, for the most part I agree with you. I was just trying to explain the rationale behind the emission standards. All good intentions come at a cost, especially when they come from Washington. Engine manufacturers are catching up and efficiency is coming back. My 6.4 2008 Ford F-350 dually With 4:30 got 10-12 on a good day and about 6 towing my equipment. My 2011 F-550 with the 6.7 and 4.88 got 14-15 and 8 towing the same load. Towing with the lower gear makes sense but the empty truck should do better with the higher gear.
I heard a Ford rep tell the owner of a dealership that the first generation DPF was like trying to run a marathon with a sock in your mouth.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

And tankers do not use refined diesel fuel. For the most part, they use unrefined or minimally refined raw petroleum. This is changing in the next few years too. I read that the big tanker ships will be converting to diesel fuel within the next few years. What gave them extended life with dirty fuel was not just an environmental concern. These engines have a very long service life so the new standards had to be implemented slowly to minimize economic hardship on the carriers. And as engines get bigger and bigger efficiency actually increases. I cannot cite the specific article but I remember reading that transporting a gallon of gas from the Middle East to the US costs less than $.02 per gallon. Of course it is unrefined crude but you get my point.

I’m not arguing against your point at all, in fact, for the most part I agree with you. I was just trying to explain the rationale behind the emission standards. All good intentions come at a cost, especially when they come from Washington. Engine manufacturers are catching up and efficiency is coming back. My 6.4 2008 Ford F-350 dually With 4:30 got 10-12 on a good day and about 6 towing my equipment. My 2011 F-550 with the 6.7 and 4.88 got 14-15 and 8 towing the same load. Towing with the lower gear makes sense but the empty truck should do better with the higher gear.
I heard a Ford rep tell the owner of a dealership that the first generation DPF was like trying to run a marathon with a sock in your mouth.

That's why I felt it was safe to ask that type of question on this forum. I knew I would get some solid information without having it get into a huge political battle. I just want to understand more about all of this. I am definitely 100% for taking care of our environment but some things just don't make sense to me without asking the questions and getting answers. Thanks for the info!

 

[TheSolarWizard]

I personally get why people are saying no. I of course wish a delete was still an option. Not because I want to pollute just to remove that downside.
That being said I’m still gonna wait to drive a diesel wrangler and see what’s up. Why?

1) torque is delicious. I don’t want to have to drop the hammer to get my truck on 38s up to freeway speed or pass. Of course there is no comparison off road. I’m dreaming of idling all over Moab
2) comes with a 100k Powertrain. That’s plenty of time to get rid of it if it’s not as awesome as I hope it is
3) I absolutely love the sound and if I stick a train horn on it I can live that big rig life haha

in the meantime I’m gonna buy a cheap ass used F150 to drive and probably get the same money for it when these arrive

 

[ldstruckn]

mpg from that low end torque and boost for the mountain passes is what I crave

 

[Oilburner]

Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

EPA mileage numbers have been published!

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Pow...2020&make=Jeep&baseModel=Wrangler&srchtyp=ymm

22City/29 Hwy

Not really shocking information, but I know all those Wrangler guys who are waiting on orders are happy that their rigs can be released now-

 

[TheSolarWizard]

What’s striking to me is that next to no one gets the epa stated mileage out of gas jeeps but it’s incredibly likely that this one will in fact return those numbers.

 

[Billy]

torque is delicious.

Yes it is.

 

[Billy]

What’s striking to me is that next to no one gets the epa stated mileage out of gas jeeps but it’s incredibly likely that this one will in fact return those numbers.

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