Diesel Gladiator Fix -- when will high pressure fuel pump fix will be out?

[XALANX]

Does anyone know when the high pressure fuel pump fix will be out. I have a 2021 Rubicon gas, ordered a stuffed 2023 Diesel in March, it was built in April and 4 days before it got to the dealership, I got a call telling me although it was 4 days out, they could not deliver it as it was subject to a recall that they did not have a fix for yet. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

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[Shift Happens]

I don't think anyone knows. Certainly not anyone that I've spoken to.
It was mid august, now possibly still august, but maybe september.

 

[Sandevino]

Unpopular opinion... there will be no hardware fix.

ALL of the recent EcoDiesel failures and subsequent repairs have been performed with the same fuel pump that failed using one of these part numbers - 68148206AA, 68211262AA, 68211268AA, 68211269AA, 68501449AA or 68631088AA. All these correlate to different vehicles and model years but are the same pump. Why would you replace a failed pump, with an active safety recall and stop sale with the same pump? My opinion is there is nothing wrong with the pump, fuel or related systems, rather the issue is with the programming.

The Bosch CP 4.2 has been in all EcoDiesel engines sold since 2014 in Ram and Jeep vehicles and has been unchanged in nearly 10 years. The same pump is in other light duty Diesel engines sold by other manufacturers. The pump is supplied by Bosch and Bosch has publicly said there is no issue with the pump and no updated version will be produced. Is this a CYA move? Maybe...

Other entities in the Diesel world have made mechanical changes to the pump's plungers in some form or another claiming to resolve the issue but have sold so few units the fix is unproven. This fix may work long term but they do not have sufficient miles or units in the wild to substantiate their fix claim.

GDE has been a proponent of disabling CPC and pressure drops in stock tuning from 100% pressure to low pressure cycles. The drop in pressure is where the problem occurs as this gives the plunger the opportunity to lift and rotate. The EPA however, sees this as essential to reduce emissions, blah blah blah...

 

[Rusty PW]

A lot of rumors, nothing concrete. It's wait and see.

 

[MF Comics]

Anyone making an AM version

 

[Koolcarguy]

Unpopular opinion... there will be no hardware fix.

ALL of the recent EcoDiesel failures and subsequent repairs have been performed with the same fuel pump that failed using one of these part numbers - 68148206AA, 68211262AA, 68211268AA, 68211269AA, 68501449AA or 68631088AA. All these correlate to different vehicles and model years but are the same pump. Why would you replace a failed pump, with an active safety recall and stop sale with the same pump? My opinion is there is nothing wrong with the pump, fuel or related systems, rather the issue is with the programming.

The Bosch CP 4.2 has been in all EcoDiesel engines sold since 2014 in Ram and Jeep vehicles and has been unchanged in nearly 10 years. The same pump is in other light duty Diesel engines sold by other manufacturers. The pump is supplied by Bosch and Bosch has publicly said there is no issue with the pump and no updated version will be produced. Is this a CYA move? Maybe...

Other entities in the Diesel world have made mechanical changes to the pump's plungers in some form or another claiming to resolve the issue but have sold so few units the fix is unproven. This fix may work long term but they do not have sufficient miles or units in the wild to substantiate their fix claim.

GDE has been a proponent of disabling CPC and pressure drops in stock tuning from 100% pressure to low pressure cycles. The drop in pressure is where the problem occurs as this gives the plunger the opportunity to lift and rotate. The EPA however, sees this as essential to reduce emissions, blah blah blah...

I agree 100% I have several eco diesels so far no failure. I have a 17 Ram 1500 longhorn eco with just under 200k but with that said it was deleted and tuned under 50k miles not 1 issue runs strong never let me down. Once my warranty is up on my 2 21' and 1 22 Eco Jeeps's is up they will get the same thing

 

[tampahoosier]

Unpopular opinion... there will be no hardware fix.

ALL of the recent EcoDiesel failures and subsequent repairs have been performed with the same fuel pump that failed using one of these part numbers - 68148206AA, 68211262AA, 68211268AA, 68211269AA, 68501449AA or 68631088AA. All these correlate to different vehicles and model years but are the same pump. Why would you replace a failed pump, with an active safety recall and stop sale with the same pump? My opinion is there is nothing wrong with the pump, fuel or related systems, rather the issue is with the programming.

The Bosch CP 4.2 has been in all EcoDiesel engines sold since 2014 in Ram and Jeep vehicles and has been unchanged in nearly 10 years. The same pump is in other light duty Diesel engines sold by other manufacturers. The pump is supplied by Bosch and Bosch has publicly said there is no issue with the pump and no updated version will be produced. Is this a CYA move? Maybe...

Other entities in the Diesel world have made mechanical changes to the pump's plungers in some form or another claiming to resolve the issue but have sold so few units the fix is unproven. This fix may work long term but they do not have sufficient miles or units in the wild to substantiate their fix claim.

GDE has been a proponent of disabling CPC and pressure drops in stock tuning from 100% pressure to low pressure cycles. The drop in pressure is where the problem occurs as this gives the plunger the opportunity to lift and rotate. The EPA however, sees this as essential to reduce emissions, blah blah blah...

I don’t know the full extent/details of the pumps but I’d have to disagree with you claiming it’s a software issue. This recall is spanning more broadly than CDJR in their EcoDiesel and easily tagged to “software”. Yes GDE thinks they know a solution, NOT the fix. By doing X you prevent Y from happening, great! But why are you having to do X in the first place when it’s not supposed to happen to the pump?

Also, people shouldn’t forget this isn’t a 3.0 EcoDiesel problem. It’s a EcoDiesel, Cummins, duramax, BMW and so on problem. So what you’re saying is a new fuel pump comes out that’s cheaper (Bosch advertised it as such) and EVERY diesel using it is now having problems/recalls/class action lawsuits and you think it’s just software?

To your last point OF COURSE Bosch would come out publicly and say it’s not their problem and the product works. When you have multiple pending class action lawsuits and pending recalls I’m pretty sure your company lawyers say DO NOT ADMIT ANYTHING!

 

[MrT]

Never, it's math and they can make it work for them without an actual fix.

 

[Teqsand]

I agree 100% I have several eco diesels so far no failure. I have a 17 Ram 1500 longhorn eco with just under 200k but with that said it was deleted and tuned under 50k miles not 1 issue runs strong never let me down. Once my warranty is up on my 2 21' and 1 22 Eco Jeeps's is up they will get the same thing

My 22 JTRD blew at 3k miles (now sold back) wife has 50k on her 21 JLURD and I have 13k on my 23 JTRD....

Pumps do blow

 

[Teqsand]

I don’t know the full extent/details of the pumps but I’d have to disagree with you claiming it’s a software issue. This recall is spanning more broadly than CDJR in their EcoDiesel and easily tagged to “software”. Yes GDE thinks they know a solution, NOT the fix. By doing X you prevent Y from happening, great! But why are you having to do X in the first place when it’s not supposed to happen to the pump?

Also, people shouldn’t forget this isn’t a 3.0 EcoDiesel problem. It’s a EcoDiesel, Cummins, duramax, BMW and so on problem. So what you’re saying is a new fuel pump comes out that’s cheaper (Bosch advertised it as such) and EVERY diesel using it is now having problems/recalls/class action lawsuits and you think it’s just software?

To your last point OF COURSE Bosch would come out publicly and say it’s not their problem and the product works. When you have multiple pending class action lawsuits and pending recalls I’m pretty sure your company lawyers say DO NOT ADMIT ANYTHING!

Have to support this argument 100%

 

[Old Young Man]

Don’t have a diesel. Just curious as Cummins had a problem through the second generation, I had it in Dodges. The injector pumps failed due to the transfer pump. Aftermarket transfer pump was better and cures the trouble. Does this diesel have a transfer pump?

 

[Sandevino]

I don’t know the full extent/details of the pumps but I’d have to disagree with you claiming it’s a software issue. This recall is spanning more broadly than CDJR in their EcoDiesel and easily tagged to “software”. Yes GDE thinks they know a solution, NOT the fix. By doing X you prevent Y from happening, great! But why are you having to do X in the first place when it’s not supposed to happen to the pump?

Also, people shouldn’t forget this isn’t a 3.0 EcoDiesel problem. It’s a EcoDiesel, Cummins, duramax, BMW and so on problem. So what you’re saying is a new fuel pump comes out that’s cheaper (Bosch advertised it as such) and EVERY diesel using it is now having problems/recalls/class action lawsuits and you think it’s just software?

To your last point OF COURSE Bosch would come out publicly and say it’s not their problem and the product works. When you have multiple pending class action lawsuits and pending recalls I’m pretty sure your company lawyers say DO NOT ADMIT ANYTHING!

My post was what my service advisor told me. Load of BS but CYA.

 

[Koolcarguy]

My 22 JTRD blew at 3k miles (now sold back) wife has 50k on her 21 JLURD and I have 13k on my 23 JTRD....

Pumps do blow

Not saying they don't blow up I'm saying mine has not and could give 15 or 20 others that have done the delete with no pump issues. My 21 Ram 3500 lost its first pump at 5400 miles. The failure rate is so small you could compare it to absolutely anything motor related on an eco diesel. I agree there are issues with the pump but also believe the delete helps the issue and the motor runs better and cleaner

 

[Teqsand]

Not saying they don't blow up I'm saying mine has not and could give 15 or 20 others that have done the delete with no pump issues. My 21 Ram 3500 lost its first pump at 5400 miles. The failure rate is so small you could compare it to absolutely anything motor related on an eco diesel. I agree there are issues with the pump but also believe the delete helps the issue and the motor runs better and cleaner

Govt "helping" in about anything ruins it.... CFL bulbs anyone? (BTW I see this rush to EV as the CFL bulbs of the auto world)

 

[tampahoosier]

My post was what my service advisor told me. Load of BS but CYA.

Ah the age old Service Advisor. You might as well rely on random google threads and Wikipedia. Those guys, though generally more knowledgeable than the sales folks, don’t know any more than an informed/educated owner. They aren’t privy to special info for this exact reason, they spill the beans lol.

All good though, wasn’t trying to argue. Just thought I’d throw my 2 cents in too. Cheers!

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