Help me understand the Diff between trailer tow package and Max Tow Package

[Clarkr32]

Im considering trading in my 21 Sport with max tow for a newer or new Mojave. The Mojave has the trailer-tow package.
Everywhere I check it says 6,000 or some places 6500. When I look at the specs the mojave has everything the sport does already yet it tows less?
Mojave
HD Dana 44 wide axles
4.10 axle ratio
Class IV receiver hitch
Trailer hitch zoom
Electronic sway control
8speed Auto transmission

im seriously seeing the samethings yet alli read is itll only do 600 and my small tired more basic sport does 7500.

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[jeepers29]

Mojave has softer springs.

 

[Clarkr32]

so thats the only difference?

 

[sharpsicle]

The Mojave tows less for a variety of reasons. No way around that. If you're trying to point to one specific thing as to why, you're not really going to be able to get there. There are quite a few differences between the Sport and the Mojave, and they may or may not contribute to the tow rating. Nor are you going to be able to "beef up" a Mojave and thus increase its tow rating. It is what it is.

The Sport platform with the Max Tow is built to maximize the towing capability. The Mojave is not.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Im considering trading in my 21 Sport with max tow for a newer or new Mojave. The Mojave has the trailer-tow package.
Everywhere I check it says 6,000 or some places 6500. When I look at the specs the mojave has everything the sport does already yet it tows less?
Mojave
HD Dana 44 wide axles
4.10 axle ratio
Class IV receiver hitch
Trailer hitch zoom
Electronic sway control
8speed Auto transmission

im seriously seeing the samethings yet alli read is itll only do 600 and my small tired more basic sport does 7500.

This has been discussed to death, ad nauseam , in so many places. It's not all about gear ratios and springs and hitches. It's the package as a whole - including center of gravity, heat rejection, tire size/diameter and more.
You actually all but nailed with your your own comment - small tired more basic. Yes, weights, tire sizes and more. The max tow HAD to have 32" tires to get that rating. The Rubicon has 32.8" tires so is closer to the max tow rating for towing than any of the others - but it's heavier so has a lower payload.
Vehicle weight, tire size, gear ratio, axle width, center of gravity, the list goes on and on - and it matters what combination of things are there.

Bottom line - stop being an engineer ;-) and accept the ratings. It is what it is and you can't change it or the laws of physics.
If you want to tow, keep the max tow. If you want show, go Mojave. These have each been through very tough tests to determine their ratings.

so thats the only difference?

NO, that's NOT the only difference. I see where you are going "if I replace the springs I up the tow rating". Nope - you'd need to do a whole lot more like lower the truck, put skinnier 32" tires on it and a whole list of things and in the end, you'd still be at what the Mojave specs are if you are in an accident towing over that rating.
It's an engineering nightmare getting a truck to get to the specs they do - there's a whole multi-page article on cooling alone. That's just a part of it.

These must pass a rigorous towing test - an SAE test sequence. And these have been rated each according to their capability.
There's other big threads on this very thing - some actually very recent.

In short - you can't change the Mojave or it's rating to match the max tow - PERIOD..
Again, if you need to tow, keep your max tow Sport.
If you want to show off a bit and have something your peers will drool over, go Mojave.
Each has a purpose, there's a reason for so many variations on the Gladiator. You buy what you need for your purpose.

Buy what you need. That's the bottom line. If you need to tow 5,000 pounds, then get something with a 6,000 pound tow rating. If you need to tow 6,000 pounds, you had better get the max tow or a Rubicon. (which has a 7,000 pound tow rating)
That's it - accept that please it's the facts. If you are that concerned., Mojave is not for you.

 

[Clarkr32]

This has been discussed to death, ad nauseam , in so many places. It's not all about gear ratios and springs and hitches. It's the package as a whole - including center of gravity, heat rejection, tire size/diameter and more.
You actually all but nailed with your your own comment - small tired more basic. Yes, weights, tire sizes and more. The max tow HAD to have 32" tires to get that rating. The Rubicon has 32.8" tires so is closer to the max tow rating for towing than any of the others - but it's heavier so has a lower payload.
Vehicle weight, tire size, gear ratio, axle width, center of gravity, the list goes on and on - and it matters what combination of things are there.

Bottom line - stop being an engineer ;-) and accept the ratings. It is what it is and you can't change it or the laws of physics.
If you want to tow, keep the max tow. If you want show, go Mojave. These have each been through very tough tests to determine their ratings.



NO, that's NOT the only difference. I see where you are going "if I replace the springs I up the tow rating". Nope - you'd need to do a whole lot more like lower the truck, put skinnier 32" tires on it and a whole list of things and in the end, you'd still be at what the Mojave specs are if you are in an accident towing over that rating.
It's an engineering nightmare getting a truck to get to the specs they do - there's a whole multi-page article on cooling alone. That's just a part of it.

These must pass a rigorous towing test - an SAE test sequence. And these have been rated each according to their capability.
There's other big threads on this very thing - some actually very recent.

In short - you can't change the Mojave or it's rating to match the max tow - PERIOD..
Again, if you need to tow, keep your max tow Sport.
If you want to show off a bit and have something your peers will drool over, go Mojave.
Each has a purpose, there's a reason for so many variations on the Gladiator. You buy what you need for your purpose.

Buy what you need. That's the bottom line. If you need to tow 5,000 pounds, then get something with a 6,000 pound tow rating. If you need to tow 6,000 pounds, you had better get the max tow or a Rubicon. (which has a 7,000 pound tow rating)
That's it - accept that please it's the facts. If you are that concerned., Mojave is not for you.

Well I don’t have power locks or windows and the crap 5 in screen and the Mojave was specifically built with a more advanced frame and better ride over all than any model so I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to upgrade for the luxury

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well I don’t have power locks or windows and the crap 5 in screen and the Mojave was specifically built with a more advanced frame and better ride over all than any model so I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to upgrade for the luxury

The ride isn't better than Overland - it's pretty much a match. The frame? Advanced for the purpose of the Mojave - sand jumping. Is it really "advanced"?? In what way?
Otherwise it doesn't matter a lick on the highways, streets or typical off-road. It's a desert runner and in fact, that's pretty much how they brand and sell it in the Middle East. I suggest that the frame isn't "more advanced", just reinforced for jumps, purpose designed - desert running, and it's very unlikely anyone would ever notice a difference in typical use. Why would they? Look at what the Rubicons have handled for many years - few do actual frame damage in their abuses out on the trails. And it won't matter for towing.

Ride - naw, been on test drives of multiple versions of the JT and in reality, the Overland has comparable springs. In fact, I've compared spring lengths and the Overland springs are a bit longer, meaning they are a low rate and compress more, and more easily.
People keep talking about the ride - I'm in my second Overland and I keep getting comments about the luxury ride. My son says it matches the ride of his crazy expensive Audi SUV.

So you gotta take the hype into account as well - those who own Mojave swear it's the second coming, it's begotten from God himself. Appearance-wise, I can appreciate it. Ride-wise - I see no difference between it and what I have. Do i need the extra height and expense?

You have to decide, but do cut through the hype and glorification out there and base it on facts and of course how cool you want it to look.
It's going to be your truck, not anyone else's - so base it you, your needs, and pretty much filter out a lot of what's out there.

 

[Clarkr32]

The ride isn't better than Overland - it's pretty much a match. The frame? Advanced for the purpose of the Mojave - sand jumping. Is it really "advanced"?? In what way?
Otherwise it doesn't matter a lick on the highways, streets or typical off-road. It's a desert runner and in fact, that's pretty much how they brand and sell it in the Middle East. I suggest that the frame isn't "more advanced", just reinforced for jumps, purpose designed - desert running, and it's very unlikely anyone would ever notice a difference in typical use. Why would they? Look at what the Rubicons have handled for many years - few do actual frame damage in their abuses out on the trails. And it won't matter for towing.

Ride - naw, been on test drives of multiple versions of the JT and in reality, the Overland has comparable springs. In fact, I've compared spring lengths and the Overland springs are a bit longer, meaning they are a low rate and compress more, and more easily.
People keep talking about the ride - I'm in my second Overland and I keep getting comments about the luxury ride. My son says it matches the ride of his crazy expensive Audi SUV.

So you gotta take the hype into account as well - those who own Mojave swear it's the second coming, it's begotten from God himself. Appearance-wise, I can appreciate it. Ride-wise - I see no difference between it and what I have. Do i need the extra height and expense?

You have to decide, but do cut through the hype and glorification out there and base it on facts and of course how cool you want it to look.
It's going to be your truck, not anyone else's - so base it you, your needs, and pretty much filter out a lot of what's out there.

Thank you for that

 

[Sandevino]

I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to upgrade for the luxury

Bingo... If you don't miss what you don't have, it may not be worth the upgrade.

 

[Dougstdig]

Im considering trading in my 21 Sport with max tow for a newer or new Mojave. The Mojave has the trailer-tow package.
Everywhere I check it says 6,000 or some places 6500. When I look at the specs the mojave has everything the sport does already yet it tows less?
Mojave
HD Dana 44 wide axles
4.10 axle ratio
Class IV receiver hitch
Trailer hitch zoom
Electronic sway control
8speed Auto transmission

im seriously seeing the samethings yet alli read is itll only do 600 and my small tired more basic sport does 7500.

When searching for information, the Manufacturers web site should always be the first place to go to get information from the horses mouth instead of word of mouth. Typing in Jeep.com randomly selecting a Sport S model as a control and look at options took me all of maybe 20-30 seconds.

Pulling up the Mohave, provides for the following:

This may be due to the fact that the Mohave already has many of the items listed Under the Max tow on the sport. Any items not noted to be included would be due to specific package inclusions. For example, the Diesel Rubicon will not come with 4.10 axle gearing due to the torque of the motor. If you went with the Diesel and Rubicon, you get the 3.73 gearing, HD cooling, upgraded axles, specific GVW rating, additional options related to fender flares and daytime running lamps... etc. The tire size addresses additional gearing, whereas that tire size is not available under the Mohave trim as part of what makes the Mohave a Mohave is the additional width of the package specific wheel offset and tire size.

 

[Clarkr32]

When searching for information, the Manufacturers web site should always be the first place to go to get information from the horses mouth instead of word of mouth. Typing in Jeep.com randomly selecting a Sport S model as a control and look at options took me all of maybe 20-30 seconds.

Except it’s incorrect Mojave has all that listed as well except tires and fender flares

 

[Dougstdig]

Except it’s incorrect Mojave has all that listed as well except tires and fender flares

The tires and "highline" flares are part of the Mohave package ...which have been upgraded due tot he "Mohave" package.

 

[JarHeadLV]

The ride isn't better than Overland - it's pretty much a match. The frame? Advanced for the purpose of the Mojave - sand jumping. Is it really "advanced"?? In what way?
Otherwise it doesn't matter a lick on the highways, streets or typical off-road. It's a desert runner and in fact, that's pretty much how they brand and sell it in the Middle East. I suggest that the frame isn't "more advanced", just reinforced for jumps, purpose designed - desert running, and it's very unlikely anyone would ever notice a difference in typical use. Why would they? Look at what the Rubicons have handled for many years - few do actual frame damage in their abuses out on the trails. And it won't matter for towing.

Ride - naw, been on test drives of multiple versions of the JT and in reality, the Overland has comparable springs. In fact, I've compared spring lengths and the Overland springs are a bit longer, meaning they are a low rate and compress more, and more easily.
People keep talking about the ride - I'm in my second Overland and I keep getting comments about the luxury ride. My son says it matches the ride of his crazy expensive Audi SUV.

So you gotta take the hype into account as well - those who own Mojave swear it's the second coming, it's begotten from God himself. Appearance-wise, I can appreciate it. Ride-wise - I see no difference between it and what I have. Do i need the extra height and expense?

You have to decide, but do cut through the hype and glorification out there and base it on facts and of course how cool you want it to look.
It's going to be your truck, not anyone else's - so base it you, your needs, and pretty much filter out a lot of what's out there.

Just an FYI - GOD did create the Mojave!!!!!! You sound a little BIASED towards the Mojave. there is no "hype" - its called people's opinions, just like you've stated yours. Just get over it Mojave owners love their Mojaves! - and be happy for them, we are ALL Jeep owners. If you re-read your post and think you don't sound "bias" well then you are lying to yourself. Listen, we are in the SAME BOAT, My Mojave is considered a step down from a Rubicon just like your Overland is considered a step down from Mojave. I get the frustration and I don't give a rats ass on someone else's opinion when I know I chose the right model for my needs - just like you did.

To the OP...
Jeep owners purchase a specific model / trim to fit their needs and hopefully they do THEIR due diligence in driving them, looking at stats published from Jeep (for whatever reason - rock crawling, towing, etc...) also, get information from Jeep owners, but, you gotta ultimately decide WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION FOR YOURSELF, NOT WHAT HE SAID, SHE SAID.

I agree with ShadowsPapa on this - Do yourself a favor, take everything ouve found out from your research and decide for yourself whats best for you. For me, usually a "pros and cons" list spells it out for me to make my decision. ONE LAST THING TO CONSIDER - Mojave is sort of a "step child"- meaning like 70% of the parts that fit a Gladiator are specific to a Rubicon, so most of those parts do NOT FIT Mojave's. You have to find parts listed exactly for a Mojave or 392.

 

[FloridaMan655321]

Mojave is always the best answer. Then add a shitty Tundra if you need to tow more than 4000lbs. If anyone is looking to tow that on the regular, just get a full size truck as that is a higher priority.
I somewhat agree that the overland rides close to a Mojave, but not overall when you take in account offroad. Mojave is just the best, and I'll create a spreadsheet to prove it if required

 

[Not2Late]

The Mojave does appear to have many of the specs (wide axles, etc., that the max tow package comes with). Or stated another way, I think the max tow package borrows some beefier bits from the Mojave and Rubicon to maximize the platorm tow rating (to be able to advertise against other similar segment vehicles) for the gladiator for those not looking for the more specifically built Rubicon or Mojave. I think 7,500 lbs (loaded two-axle trailer) is a common number to hit in the truck world and Jeep wants to be able to put that in ads to attract more traditional truck buyers, which are a huge segment - just look at how many trucks are sold every year!

To some people buying a truck, tow rating is important. So, I imagine engineers put together the best package to be able to do that and advertise that. Maximizing the tow rating on the JT platform requires a specific set of equipment that may not be congruent with offroading, boulder crawling, mall running, or sand running. So that is why I think it is hard to compare.

Bottom line: I think if I was going to rely on a truck to tow often and be pushing 7,000 lbs, the Gladiator would not be my truck of choice. For many full-size trucks, that would be relatively easy. For the Gladiator platform, it is at the limit.

If you are needing to eke out every bit of tow rating, I would stick with the Sport you have now. If it doesn't matter that much and you can live with a lesser rating, then go for it! I love my Mojave. Best version of the JT, IMO. We'll let you in the Mojave club

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