Mystery “unit” found..What is THIS?

[wchevron]

I guess no one cares about me. I have no tracker. And my wife just upped my insurance policy. Coincidence?

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[dcmdon]

tier one financing people dont have these. I’ll leave it at that

Yes, but even stiffs need cars.

We probably agree on whether a stiff should be buying a $50k Jeep.

From this site: https://www.autocheatsheet.com/car-salesman-slang/car-sales-slang-lingo-terms.html#s-slang

• Stiff: An individual who has a credit rating so poor it’s impossible to get them financed.

 

[Hootbro]

tier one financing people dont have these. I’ll leave it at that

Most are put on up front before there is even a buyer lined up. How would it be "Tier One" or lack of financing issue?

 

[Dqban]

Except that that capability is already built into your Jeep. Its got a GPS and a 4G cellular transceiver for telematics. With the right court order the Government can not only track your jeep, they can shut it down.

And people thought I was crazy when I posted a question about disabling this a couple of months ago. Whose car is it really?

I am currently rolling around in my head whether I want to disable the LTE transceiver or the GPS, since disabling either will solve the problem. My thought is that I'd re-enable it periodically for OTA updates. Or just let the dealer do them if that's possible. (Play dumb as to why they haven't happened). I'm not talking about anything significant. Just disconnecting the antenna or removing power if the transceiver is integrated into the antenna on the roll bar.

GPS is easy to "fail". Just put some foil over the antenna. The GPS signals are orders of magnitude weaker than LTE signals so it doesn't take much.

The car starts just fine without the LTE connection. I've already experimented with this. I fully admit to being just a little paranoid. My Volkswagen used to have an option in the menu to turn off cellular and GPS. I always found that was very thoughtful of them.

I really did not want the nicer radio for the jeep but there was no way to get mine without it....Would prefer an aftermarket one that gives me more control.

It's for these reasons why I am more interested in retrofitting electric than I am buying a new electric car....I want to resto mod an old analog car with electric motor and batteries.

 

[dcmdon]

The car starts just fine without the LTE connection. I've already experimented with this. I fully admit to being just a little paranoid. My Volkswagen used to have an option in the menu to turn off cellular and GPS. I always found that was very thoughtful of them.

I really did not want the nicer radio for the jeep but there was no way to get mine without it....Would prefer an aftermarket one that gives me more control.

It's for these reasons why I am more interested in retrofitting electric than I am buying a new electric car....I want to resto mod an old analog car with electric motor and batteries.

The lack of privacy is the reason that my wife doesn't drive a Tesla. We drove a friends Model S long range and its insane. 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. quarter mile in the low 11s. INSTANT acceleration. Like nothing I've driven before and I've owned some fast cars.

But absolutely zero way to be sure that it isn't phoning home to the mother ship. When you drive a Tesla all 6 of its cameras are constantly recording concurrently with its steering angle sensors, accelerometers, etc. All this is sent to the mothership at night when the car connects to your WiFi. This is how Tesla is training its AI for the self driving stuff.

No freaking way.

 

[dcmdon]

A good first step:
https://privacyportal.onetrust.com/...58479fce/7d68420a-1005-4f26-80ae-e115247ecb2d

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There is nothing inherently nasty about these provided the dealer discloses its presence.

There are 2 use cases where they make sense.

1) Car is in dealer inventory. This reduces the risk of test drives and allows the dealer to not bother with getting copies of DLs and such. I went to a dealer to test drive a Mojave and he basically just tossed me the keys and said "have fun". I got curious and looked under the dash while out on the drive and sure enough there was a GPS plugged into the OBD2 port. (I assuming for constant 12 power).

2) your credit is marginal. Without the tracker you couldn't get a car loan. With it, you can. Leaving the tracker in place is a condition of the loan. Fully disclosed. This is not a bad thing.

Read the dealer printed info - most of the time such items are installed to sell you recovery services. Theft recovery.
Yes, you are correct these are NOT trackers. Not all dealers install them, those that do often sell theft recovery services.
I've got a picture somewhere of the sheet on a Gladiator windshield at a local dealer - they list "theft recovery" right on the list of the other stuff.
That truck has a lift, different wheels, different tires, a couple of other things, and in that list is "theft recovery". That's what these are used for.
This ain't that tin foil living in basement government tracking.. That's bunk.
And it isn't on every single truck or car. Most of us won't find such a thing in the vehicle.

tier one financing people dont have these. I’ll leave it at that

I paid cash.......... the entire purchase price was given to them. The truck came in about 7 that morning, they prepped it, I picked it up about 4 or 5 that evening.
But I suspect their shop does this on all vehicles because they also hand you the key and let you take off for a test drive. Makes sense - they said "take it out and drive it around a while" when we did test drives.

But it ain't a "tracker". We've all decided that over a year ago.

A woman was killed. The police apprehended a suspect based on his iphones tracking. Specifically, the app on the phone that tracked his miles, calories and route. The problem, he had nothing to do with it but was deemed a suspect due to the fact his location pinged past her house 3 times that week....His jogging route. Horrible mistake, yes but, not unique or even rare.

Really - bet you can't post a link to a verified news story.......
And here the FBI can't get the courts to force Apple to unlock phones of a known terrorist. But they can get info for a simple crime?
Sounds like one of those stories that makes rounds and yet no one knows the names, dates, locations of the real people or how a court allowed law enforcement to get into the phone.
You know how they figure where a phone is, right? Triangulation - and you don't always ping off the towers closest to you. I'm living proof of that. My phone will often connect to a tower that's actually 1/3 farther away than the closer towers so I guess they'd have a heck of a time tracking me. Too much L&O SVU.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Most are put on up front before there is even a buyer lined up. How would it be "Tier One" or lack of financing issue?

Mine had one and I have an extremely high credit rating - and told them I was paying for it, no financing.
I suspect that dealership puts on in every vehicle that comes off the transport.
They also sell theft recovery services.............

 

[Dqban]

Read the dealer printed info - most of the time such items are installed to sell you recovery services. Theft recovery.
Yes, you are correct these are NOT trackers. Not all dealers install them, those that do often sell theft recovery services.
I've got a picture somewhere of the sheet on a Gladiator windshield at a local dealer - they list "theft recovery" right on the list of the other stuff.
That truck has a lift, different wheels, different tires, a couple of other things, and in that list is "theft recovery". That's what these are used for.
This ain't that tin foil living in basement government tracking.. That's bunk.
And it isn't on every single truck or car. Most of us won't find such a thing in the vehicle.



I paid cash.......... the entire purchase price was given to them. The truck came in about 7 that morning, they prepped it, I picked it up about 4 or 5 that evening.
But I suspect their shop does this on all vehicles because they also hand you the key and let you take off for a test drive. Makes sense - they said "take it out and drive it around a while" when we did test drives.

But it ain't a "tracker". We've all decided that over a year ago.



Really - bet you can't post a link to a verified news story.......
And here the FBI can't get the courts to force Apple to unlock phones of a known terrorist. But they can get info for a simple crime?
Sounds like one of those stories that makes rounds and yet no one knows the names, dates, locations of the real people or how a court allowed law enforcement to get into the phone.
You know how they figure where a phone is, right? Triangulation - and you don't always ping off the towers closest to you. I'm living proof of that. My phone will often connect to a tower that's actually 1/3 farther away than the closer towers so I guess they'd have a heck of a time tracking me. Too much L&O SVU.

cant find that exact story but its not unique, like I said. You must be very very naive (or too lazy to do your own research) Here are some other similar examples that took all of 30 sec to find. There is a link for a lawyer specializing in this type of stuff...common enough its now a specialty.

Who said anything about needing access to your phone....Your phone transmits data to all the different companies that have apps installed on it including your very very accurate GPS data in addition to the cell tower data too. You are aware that both types of data (cell and GPS) are on your phone, right? That little tiny company running the BS app the sucks up your data will cave instantly too any law enforcement request.

Have you ever heard of a stinger? You dont need physical access to the phone at all to collect every single piece of data it transmits. I wont bother posting verified news articles for these because there are just too many.

https://www.komando.com/security-privacy/google-location-false-accusations/710320/

https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-the-fourth-amendment/

https://jsberrylaw.com/blog/conviction-by-mobile-phone/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ion-info-results-wrong-man-being-jailed.shtml

 

[am1978]

So this fell out from under the dashboard today. What is it? It had a very flimsy piece of double sided tape on it..and no clue where it is supposed to go.. also there was another “rogue” wire with a two conductor female connector that’s just “loose”

You’re being spied on.

 

[GreyGhost]

In case of your tracking device malfunctioning......
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0126/3517/7019/files/GV50_LTE_Series_20190925.pdf?v=1590678375

 

[DaveL]

Doesn't Tesla sell insurance too?

Goes well with reports back to the home base.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

cant find that exact story but its not unique, like I said. You must be very very naive (or too lazy to do your own research) Here are some other similar examples that took all of 30 sec to find. There is a link for a lawyer specializing in this type of stuff...common enough its now a specialty.

Who said anything about needing access to your phone....Your phone transmits data to all the different companies that have apps installed on it including your very very accurate GPS data in addition to the cell tower data too. You are aware that both types of data (cell and GPS) are on your phone, right? That little tiny company running the BS app the sucks up your data will cave instantly too any law enforcement request.

Have you ever heard of a stinger? You dont need physical access to the phone at all to collect every single piece of data it transmits. I wont bother posting verified news articles for these because there are just too many.

https://www.komando.com/security-privacy/google-location-false-accusations/710320/

https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/05/geofence-warrants-and-the-fourth-amendment/

https://jsberrylaw.com/blog/conviction-by-mobile-phone/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ion-info-results-wrong-man-being-jailed.shtml

KK is a joke. She even posted that singing happy birthday was illegal. She hadn't even looked up that courts declared it was in the public domain before posting a stupid article. She's been wrong about quite a few things other than that.
Don't need to tell me squat about phones LOL - I worked security for government and dealt with the phones there. I also run very few apps on my phone. No fakebook, etc. and use Ghostery and other software to limit what goes out. They literally can't say "all of these people were there, we're bringing them all in". Can't work that way. There must be cause. Any good attorney would rip that crap to shreds. "You are a suspect, we have your location data, you are coming in". I don't think so.

>>Who said anything about needing access to your phone....Your phone transmits data to all the different companies that have apps installed on it<<
Actually, you started that bit. Go back and look into some cases where law enforcement wanted access, companies refused so they asked Apple to unlock the phone and Apple refused. And that moron "the sky is falling" John McAfee got on the radio and started bragging about how HE could show the FBI how to get in in under 5 minutes.

There must be cause, there must be warrants and the companies balk at it and always have.

Your sources aren't exactly what you claim. It's a waste of time to bother you with any details, your mind is made up that these are trackers and can be used against you.
Your links are pretty generic and more scare than anything else.

 

[Dqban]

KK is a joke. She even posted that singing happy birthday was illegal. She hadn't even looked up that courts declared it was in the public domain before posting a stupid article. She's been wrong about quite a few things other than that.
Don't need to tell me squat about phones LOL - I worked security for government and dealt with the phones there. I also run very few apps on my phone. No fakebook, etc. and use Ghostery and other software to limit what goes out. They literally can't say "all of these people were there, we're bringing them all in". Can't work that way. There must be cause. Any good attorney would rip that crap to shreds. "You are a suspect, we have your location data, you are coming in". I don't think so.

>>Who said anything about needing access to your phone....Your phone transmits data to all the different companies that have apps installed on it<<
Actually, you started that bit. Go back and look into some cases where law enforcement wanted access, companies refused so they asked Apple to unlock the phone and Apple refused. And that moron "the sky is falling" John McAfee got on the radio and started bragging about how HE could show the FBI how to get in in under 5 minutes.

There must be cause, there must be warrants and the companies balk at it and always have.

Your sources aren't exactly what you claim. It's a waste of time to bother you with any details, your mind is made up that these are trackers and can be used against you.
Your links are pretty generic and more scare than anything else.

It's funny, I said the same thing about you and making up your mind. You asked for Verified news sources, I give them to you so your natural response is to do the Trump thing and say fake news....The New York Times/ap is a fake link. Get over yourself.

Read my post again. Tiny little company ain't going to say no to the government. They will give up your data without even flinching. Washed there hands of you and the problem. Apple is never involved in that scenario.

They don't have to bring everyone in, they just need to find one interesting GPS data set to establish probable caause....bring one person in.

You don't need a warrant if the company voluntarily gives it to you... The government is famous for Coercing people/companies into doing their bidding without the need for obtaining a warrant.....is this news to you?

No comments on stinger...I guess they're just a fictional piece of equipment that the government doesn't actually used to track anybody and nobody should have any fear about.
Stingers have been in use without warrants for years...Come with non-disclosure agreement so no one has even admitted they existed until recently..... blanket data collection by law enforcement which collects the data from everyone in a given area who is connected to a cell phone( basically.) no warrants were required to use these because there were literally no laws addressing their use or even admitting their existence.....Do you need a verified source for this?

Please stop spreading false information and making the rest of the form dumber....Maybe step out of your bubble once in a while

 

[Jerhemi]

Open it up and see if there is a SIM card in it. It is sold as a "tracking device"

https://assetfleetgps.com/collectio...oducts/queclink-gv50m-compact-vehicle-tracker

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